Meeting With exPastor in 2 hours

[chip]

So my car broke down only hours into my grand adventure and I am stuck for a few days for repairs.

Of course, it turns out my ex-pastor just happens to be here too and saw I was stuck here and wants to meet with me. I have no doubts this is another part of my ex-girlfriend's war against me. He, and most of the church, took her side in the event and I with four of my friends were tossed out. Mind you, she left me to live with a married man in the church. But, apparently she can do no wrong - even in sin.....

So, not knowing where this going. Not wanting to do this at all, he is an avowed enemy. But, something someone commented earlier today on my question of praying for your ex, compels me to have to meet with him.

Pray for strength, sanity and peace.

Failing that a bucket of flaming of coals and a shovel....

 

[RickShafer]

Chip,
What an opportunity for you to show the knowledge of the gospel you have. The same that you shared with others on this sight.
Go in the strength of the Lord.......and in the power of His might!
(Remember), God is no respecter of persons.

 

[chip]

i feel sick.....

 

[Tommy4Christ]

!

So my car broke down only hours into my grand adventure and I am stuck for a few days for repairs.

Of course, it turns out my ex-pastor just happens to be here too and saw I was stuck here and wants to meet with me. I have no doubts this is another part of my ex-girlfriend's war against me. He, and most of the church, took her side in the event and I with four of my friends were tossed out. Mind you, she left me to live with a married man in the church. But, apparently she can do no wrong - even in sin.....

So, not knowing where this going. Not wanting to do this at all, he is an avowed enemy. But, something someone commented earlier today on my question of praying for your ex, compels me to have to meet with him.

Pray for strength, sanity and peace.

Failing that a bucket of flaming of coals and a shovel....

Another fine example of what the church system is producion today!

If the truth was preached right from the beginning, then you wouldnt be in the situation you are in, and as for your ex girl friend, I dont know her, but IF she is living with a married man, and your ex-pastor knows this, and has no problems with this sin, then he is in great compromise and all need to repent.

If the truth was preached right from the beginning, which was Christ crucified and sin subdued, instead of get saved in your sins, stay in your sins, live like the lost world because this is the normal Cjristian experience, then this wouldnt be a normal occurance in the church today.

What will be the end of those disobeying the gospel of God?​

1Pe 4:17 For the time has come for the judgment to begin from the house of God. And if it first begins from us, what will be the end of those disobeying the gospel of God?


1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous one is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?


1Pe 4:19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls in well-doing, as to a faithful Creator.​

When it comes to the message of the cross, and what constitutes a real saving faith in the professing Christian world, you don’t have to go far to see just how far off the mark the gospel being preached today has come!
Its miles, and miles away from what was established by Christ and His followers many centuries ago! Today the truth has become an outright lie, making it virtually impossible for the truly seeking individual to find any truth whatsoever in the churches and denominations today.
God has made it clear through His disciple Peter, that His judgment will begin first and foremost in the house of God, which is His church, but today the church system as we call it, if so far off from being the house of God, that His judgment in coming sooner than later!
How can anyone in this mess ever come to a saving faith, which is the simple message Christ and His devout followers preached right from the beginning, He cried, repent or perish, turn and forsake your evil ways, and follow me on the straight and narrow way!
But today it’s just the opposite, the house of God is more like a den of thieves, full of unconverted professing Christians, fighting with everything they have to preserve their saved in sin, substitution gospel, that is a far cry from what the early church taught and died for!
Now IF you do the research you can clearly see just how these powerful scriptures are coming into the light! Just go to most churches, or question the popular ministries, and it’s all the same message, of just confess, trust and believe Jesus took your place, and the wrath of God has been lifted from you, because you accepted this lie, telling you when you throw out all the fluff, that you can sin like the devil and still make it into the kingdom, because you said the prayer, cried a few tears, but did nothing to come before all mighty God the judge of all, broken and contrite in real repentance and a working faith in Love. Galatians 5-6, 2Corin 7-10-11.
For those who do not shake and tremble at these verses, you should do a quick check to make sure you faith hasn’t become shipwrecked!
Since God is making it clear it will be difficult for the saved to enter into the kingdom, He then states what about those who disobey His truth? What will be their end? And I don’t think He is telling us those who disobey are the ones you have not received Christ by saying a little prayer, hoping God will forgive and overlook all their sins against Him!
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he also will reap.
Gal 6:8 For he sowing to his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh. But he sowing to the Spirit will reap life everlasting from the Spirit.
Now if those who do what is right by God are scarcely saved, then what hope has the wicked and ungodly have?
God wasn’t joking when He said, few will be saved, many will take the wide, easy road, His wrath is upon the children of disobedience, and you must endure to the end to be saved!
So it’s vital to understand that the provision gospel isn’t the answer, in fact it’s so far from the truth, that many will not escape the snare of the lie coming right from the pit, that says you can sin and live, God doesn’t see your wicked heart, but Jesus, He loves you as you keep feeding your flesh in lust, greed, and idolatry, ignoring His commands to repent or perish!
Jesus didn’t repent for you, He didn’t become your righteousness, or take your wrath or punishment as many teach today, But He did create us in His own image, pure, and willing and able to choose our path in life, which many have already! They believe they can sin and disobey God, because all is done for them, and they received the gift!(the mark)
That is why its imperative we all work out our salvation with fear and trembling, make our calling sure, be doers OF the word and overcomers of sin, temptation and the devil remaining undefiled from the world, stand fast in the truth, keeping it pure and holy as we keep ourselves as commanded, otherwise you will fall away into perdition and may not come to real repentance and faith, proven by deeds as commanded in the word of God.
There is no such thing as easy salvation, it does come with high price, and many saint have fallen away into sin, and worldliness, forsaking their first love, thus proving what God clearly says, that even the righteous will have a difficult time staying pure and in the faith!
Jesus made a way through His great example for us to follow and obey, it takes diligence, self-control, and a strong desire to be holy as He is holy, not by some sort of provision He made for you, but by obeying from the heart, that has been made pure through repentance and an obedient faith, not based on some magical substitution, but based on a real commitment to the truth, and following Jesus on the narrow road.
Many are called, but few are chosen, and the chosen ones are simple the once who have actually crucified their flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20, have come out of all the lies and deception, and standing firm on the gospel according to godliness handed down to the saints of old, who knew what it meant to walk a holy and separate life unto God, not trusting in a false provision, but on the power of Christ that set them free from sin. Now walking an upright life shining their light into the dark world, keeping pure and undefiled less they become disqualified and useless to their master!
They committed themselves to doing good and what is right, thus making them righteous and acceptable to God, not being perfect as God is, but walking in all humility, keeping their eye on the prize, and being certain they remain in His will and power to keep them strong in a world filled with many temptations, lies and pitfalls!
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who does righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who (produces) sin is of the Devil, for the Devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the Devil.
1Jn 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
It’s about doing what is right because we all have free will and ability to do it, doing wrong, which is willful, presumptions sin against God is of the devil and not OF God, Jesus came to put to death the works of the devil, not take our place as we remain a poor, helpless sinner, struggling and fleshing out every day, and those who are born again through the baptism of repentance, and receiving the spirit of God, do not sin!
Tommy

 

[RickShafer]

Walk by faith, not by sight.
God the Father,Jesus and the Holy Spirit wouldn't have put you in this situation if you couldn't handle it.

Remember: when your the weakest, He is the strongest.

Go man of God in the power of His might.........and watch walls fall.

 

[shekaniah]

Pray!!!
I have prayed too!
He is just a man...

Psalm 118:6
The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?

 

[chip]

right on Tommy and thank you all for your prayers!

so, unexpected meeting i dreaded, turning into 5.5 hours of discussion.

yeah, he wanted to rake over the issues again, only this time showing that he really was neutral and not on her side (really? he was the one whom disfellowshipped me and my friends for not backing down on her sin!). so a bit self serving. and i refused to discuss this with him.

however, i covered the whole - i have forgiven her, i have texted, messaged and posted to her concerning my forgiveness and that i have been pushed by God to be praying for her multiple times a day for months. he was stunned, he admitted he could never do that. that part of the discussion ended with him wanting to help me in some way and i just suggested he stay as far away as possible (ok, I bad!).

then he told me of another problem in the church, which is why he is Pueblo, to meet with other pastors. so then i got dragged into a very long discussion concerning youth, problems within the youth community (and since it is not my church anymore, i could be fairly honest as to the religious state of the youth, youth program, workers, etc). by 27 minutes ago we just ended a very long discussion that as actually quite productive but I will post more on that in an more appropriate venue.

so thank you for your prayers, it turned something ugly into a work - which i am sure God will be using later, because it might be of value.

 

[pickles]

Praying for you in Jesus for all needed in this .

God bless
pickles

 

[psychomom]

Chip, my heart just broke when I read "I feel sick".
I will write your name in my prayer notebook, and I will pray for you, dear one.

May the Lord show you the way to peace,
ellie

 

[chip]

Psychomom, I do not handle stress well, or should I say that I really hate almost all forms of conflict. It seriously does make me physically ill. And thanks to ex-girlfriend, conflict seems to be all I had from my old church for half of this year. sigh.....

 

[nw2u]

Wish I could remember where it is from. Wish I could find it. You probably already know it. Something we do for others, in a loving way, will heap burning coals on their heads.(metaphorically speaking)

I'm sure someone here knows where to find this.

 

[OFM]

1st or 2nd cor, near the end.....
praying for peace and spiritual rest for you.......

 

[shirley]

keeping you in prayers chip so sorry to hear the bind your in ; i wish i could help more i too dont handle stress well please know your sister in christ loves you n will keep you in prayers ok and always know the jesus loves you ok jesus never promised us easy times keep strong in your weakness and always keep your faith ok ; jesus has something else planned for your life its his will i struggle too andsometimes we dont understand things that happen to us feel free to email me if you need to talk or need encouragement jesus will and has opened doors where they are closed never give up hope may GOD BRING you joy where there is sorrow comfort where there is pain and blessings beyond blessings gbu always

 

[psychomom]

Psychomom, I do not handle stress well, or should I say that I really hate almost all forms of conflict. It seriously does make me physically ill. And thanks to ex-girlfriend, conflict seems to be all I had from my old church for half of this year. sigh.....

Yeah...you know in those old black and white "horror" movies (which my son tells me are like comedies compared to the modern genre of horror flicks) where they hold up a cross to fend off the vampire? That's how I feel about conflict *shudder*---give it the sign of the cross, even with my fingers.
I was thinking about that one day and realized there was truth in that idea for me.
When I am faced with unavoidable conflict, be sure what I say and do passes through the cross. Run it all by the Lord first. Duh! I should do that with everything, right?
I'm a bit of a slow learner.

I have your name in my prayer notebook. ♥
~ellie