Mega-Church Vs Small Church

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2. I have learned that those who oppose tithing generally can't pay their own bills but condemn those who are faithful to God [the job and finances come from God to begin with so it's already God's and we're just being good stewards with it and we show it with tithes]
I think he was talking about the incorrect insistence on "you must give 10% (tithe)" which was an old law requirement... but it actually included much more than just "income".
We as believers are to give as we have been prospered... whatever we can, with a clear conscience.... not "10%"

No matter the Church size it's a really good practice to have smaller home gatherings and to get involved and to connect with as many Brothers and Sisters in Christ one possibly can
Yes. Absolutely.
 
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I've seen a couple of so called mega churches on TV.

The issue I think they have is ,with thousands of members pastoral counseling is impossible.
It's not impossible, if you have enought qualified elders/pastors for counseling and study/advice.
The problem is that many churches think that it is the "preaching pastor/preacher"'s job to minister to everyone. That is simply not true. Timothy was told to appoint "elders" and "deacons" to tend to the flock.... how many you need is based on how many are in your flock. The role of elder or deacon should never be just a "title" for recognition.... there are responsibilities involved, and jobs to be done.

I was asked to be, and then appointed as a deacon in a church I used to attend... about 700-800 members at our "peak".... I told them that I would not accept it just as a "title", but if there was a specific work that needed doing, I would gladly accept it. I took on the benevolence ministry of our church... we had an annual donation of $60-70,000 that we used to help our members, and members of our community. We never had money left over.... the need was great, even in as affluent a town as we lived in.

I did that for about 6 or 7 years before I had to step away from it, to regroup.... working with people and their financial problems will take a toll, given time.

The point of that is to say that there are specific jobs to do, and spiritual counseling is a big part of that, and should be done by elders.
 
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Can anyone?I can't.
Depends on your definition of "right"
Prestonwood Baptist in Plano Texas does a lot of good things.. they have many ministry and outreach programs set up to help those in need.
They spend a LOT of money on Christmas pageants, and I'm sure a lot of money is not used to feed the hungry, etc, but they do a bunch of good things, to my knowledge.

Also, Cottonwood Creek Baptist in the Allen Texas area is pretty good with benevolence work. Again, are they perfect? Of course not. Do they do a lot of good? Absolutely.

The church I attend now has maybe 250 members....
 

Kroogz

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Depends on your definition of "right"
Prestonwood Baptist in Plano Texas does a lot of good things.. they have many ministry and outreach programs set up to help those in need.
They spend a LOT of money on Christmas pageants, and I'm sure a lot of money is not used to feed the hungry, etc, but they do a bunch of good things, to my knowledge.

Also, Cottonwood Creek Baptist in the Allen Texas area is pretty good with benevolence work. Again, are they perfect? Of course not. Do they do a lot of good? Absolutely.

The church I attend now has maybe 250 members....
It wouldn't be my cup of tea.

I believe the assembly has ONE objective........Bible doctrine. Equip the saints, and the "work" is naturally done in our everyday lives......At work, at play, in the home, on the street, at the food bank ect.

This is why we have people who need to regroup in the "church." They have all these programs and don't get fed Bible doctrine.
 

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It wouldn't be my cup of tea.

I believe the assembly has ONE objective........Bible doctrine. Equip the saints, and the "work" is naturally done in our everyday lives......At work, at play, in the home, on the street, at the food bank ect.

This is why we have people who need to regroup in the "church." They have all these programs and don't get fed Bible doctrine.

A Church's primary job is to be a Bible teaching school.
Not to be a display case for trophies of good works.
Church is to be the highest form of education.

It is much easier to give money than to dedicate and sacrifice one's time to learning Scripture in detail and accuracy.
So one can live the Word of God, not just feel something towards it.
 
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It wouldn't be my cup of tea.

I believe the assembly has ONE objective........Bible doctrine. Equip the saints, and the "work" is naturally done in our everyday lives......At work, at play, in the home, on the street, at the food bank ect.

This is why we have people who need to regroup in the "church." They have all these programs and don't get fed Bible doctrine.
Learning GW is most important, but fellowship/encouragement is also a biblical objective per Hebrews 10:25.
 

Kroogz

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but fellowship/encouragement is also a biblical objective per Hebrews 10:25.
People don't know how to fellowship.....They don't know Bible doctrine.

Fellowship is not me talking about my struggles at work and home. Or Bob who has drinking problem.

This IS fellowship:


You cannot lose/forfeit/walk away from His salvation.PERIOD.
 
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I believe the assembly has ONE objective........Bible doctrine. Equip the saints, and the "work" is naturally done in our everyday lives......At work, at play, in the home, on the street, at the food bank ect.
we can agree to disagree.... that was the MAIN reason that Timothy was to appoint elders and deacons, IIRC.... to give aid to needy widows and those orphaned.... Jesus taught us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked... your assertion that it was only to be as individuals makes no sense at all....

The apostles had members of the church bring money and other gifts to give to the assembly, so that everyone shared and the hungry were fed and clothed.
 

Kroogz

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we can agree to disagree.... that was the MAIN reason that Timothy was to appoint elders and deacons, IIRC.... to give aid to needy widows and those orphaned.... Jesus taught us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked... your assertion that it was only to be as individuals makes no sense at all....

The apostles had members of the church bring money and other gifts to give to the assembly, so that everyone shared and the hungry were fed and clothed.
Bible doctrine. Bible doctrine and Bible doctrine......That is what the Local assembly should be concerned about.

Line upon line precept upon precept.
 
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It's not impossible, if you have enought qualified elders/pastors for counseling and study/advice.
The problem is that many churches think that it is the "preaching pastor/preacher"'s job to minister to everyone. That is simply not true. Timothy was told to appoint "elders" and "deacons" to tend to the flock.... how many you need is based on how many are in your flock. The role of elder or deacon should never be just a "title" for recognition.... there are responsibilities involved, and jobs to be done.

I was asked to be, and then appointed as a deacon in a church I used to attend... about 700-800 members at our "peak".... I told them that I would not accept it just as a "title", but if there was a specific work that needed doing, I would gladly accept it. I took on the benevolence ministry of our church... we had an annual donation of $60-70,000 that we used to help our members, and members of our community. We never had money left over.... the need was great, even in as affluent a town as we lived in.

I did that for about 6 or 7 years before I had to step away from it, to regroup.... working with people and their financial problems will take a toll, given time.

The point of that is to say that there are specific jobs to do, and spiritual counseling is a big part of that, and should be done by elders.
Lakewood church seats 16,800 people .
 
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I must wait until you get the point I was making.

The size of the crowd was not an issue with Jesus.

Mega churches seek large churches because they hone in on a message that would appeal to what people want to hear,
but not on what they need to hear.


For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


2 Timothy 4:3


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Let us all stay focused on the original theme of this thread.

I must wait until you get the point I was making.

The size of the crowd was not an issue with Jesus.

Mega churches seek large churches because they hone in on a message that would appeal to what people want to hear,
but not on what they need to hear.


For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


2 Timothy 4:3


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Let us all stay focused on the original theme of this thread and avoid introducing other themes, within the thread.

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature - Mark 16:15

Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, just before He ascended to heaven, He commanded His disciples or followers, past, present and future to go into all the world and spread the gospel. Does that sound like just having a small church, where everyone knows everyone? There is nothing wrong with having a church, large or small, as your base, while also going into all the world. Who is going to spread the gospel to strangers or the world? How many small churches have gone anywhere, beyond the borders of the country, state, region, city or town, where they are located? Can a small church afford or have the resources to go into all the world?
Of course, everyone does have to go into foreign countries, how about going into all your country, state, region, city or town? In other words, try to reach as many people as possible, just as Jesus commanded, instead of only reaching the people you already know, in a small church.
Before the digital era, the only way to go into all the world was physical or through radio/tv. Furthermore, spreading the gospel on radio or tv, is expensive and very few small churches, if any can afford the cost.
Regardless of the shortcomings of some mega-churches, mega-churches are reaching far more people in the world than small church? Those mega-churches, that engage in scandalous behavior must not be excused, but let us acknowledge the major role that mega-churches play in evangelism.
Jesus left the responsibility of spreading the gospel to the world, in the hands of every Christian, either as a goer or financier of the goers.
Suppose it were left to the small churches, would what Jesus commanded, have made much progress, if any?
We don’t live in a perfect world, but while some mega-churches have issues or problems that need fixing, one of the major ways, many people in the world are gping to hear the gospel, is via mega-churches, physically, digitally, radio and tv.
Let us drive the car that we have, with all it’s issues or problems, until we can get a better one.
 
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Your worth more to me.

The local assembly should teach Bible doctrine. Not sermons. Not potlucks. Not a bunch of programs.

Bible doctrine. If the Saints are equipped, the "works" will naturally flow out. Leaving the local assembly to TEACH.
Oh, I agree that individual works will and should happen....I just believe that the good works should be done by the body of believers, as well
 

Kroogz

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Oh, I agree that individual works will and should happen....I just believe that the good works should be done by the body of believers, as well
You are making my point.

The churches today FOCUS on all the works and programs.....the dog and pony show.

When they don't even Know DIVINE good works. They just know human good works.

They lack accurate and solid Bible doctrine.