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Perhaps a team of various ministers could assist the congregation in the development of their gifting.
I'm speaking of my experience. YMMVAnd we are to believe you because you have been in every church and know every pastor.
Christ's church is a megachurch, and according to his final command, the more mega, the better.
I'm speaking of my experience. YMMV
Many of us have come to the conclusion that it's highly unlikely Jesus would have set apart men to act as pastors in a sect, this would go against His own want and prayer. Whereas some individuals in said groups may have been called and chosen of God, and He may have left them there for a while to wise them up, He won't leave them there forever. Those pastors are a product of their denominational system, not of God. "Therefore come out from their midst and be separate," says the Lord," and do not touch what is unclean, and I will welcome you."
See post #127
I've seen coffee shops in large churches.OP mentioned mega churches that have restaurants I cant recall any that Ive been to that actually had a restaurant open for fine dining.
I know some have kitchens and do community meals and some have cafe type seating but I wouldnt call them restaurants....
I know a Bible college had a cafe. If one did have a restaurant I would wonder if it had a Jesus theme menu..like would it have loaves and fishes for free or something.
wiki states this...havent really seen any in my area https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafe_church
Well, if you can point out a person that is calling themselves a pastor or the like, that is truly godly in behaviour, I might believe you. But I certainly haven't come across one in my nearly 40 years of being a Christian, and I've searched far and wide for them. It seems like there are many others here on CC that have had the same experience!
Just because you have not come across anyone that meets your standards does not mean they are all ungodly.
As I stated, our access to all is very limited and we should not judge all by the limited number we have come across.
I will not judge all when I have not met all.
... so, you have not met one either then?
I've visited a bunch of them all over America and around the world.When it comes to the total of all churches and pastors, your experience is limited just as all of us so we should never judge all by that limited experience.
I've visited a bunch of them all over America and around the world.
So I'm going to say my experience has been more than most people's experience.
During my 60 plus years of serving my Lord, I have met good and bad pastors, good and bad churches.
There are those I know today that I will fellowship with, and those I will not.
I do not use the fact that some pastors and churches are not perfect as an excuse to condemn all and refuse to assemble with, fellowship with, and worship with, as many of you people do.
Why not just admit that you believe you are to holy to assemble with us sinners saved by grace?
You say you have served the Lord, but have you! Where has your loyalty really been, and to who? To men and their traditions, to your own ego, to your own want? I did issue a specific generality, to give space for comment, but let me be more specific to yourself. If your pastors that you refer to are a product of a denomination or the like, and serve their institutions and their peculiar traditions, then it is not possible for them to be serving God. Hence my comment, "they are ungodly".