Melchezidek the high priest of God

[Clayman]

So, is Melchizedek a previous incarnation of Jesus?

Very Good points in this thread about how this highlights our Lord Jesus, I am in a very small minority group of people that believe Melchizedek is actually Satan, Which for some reason people don't like the idea that Satan was a priest of the most high, that he could have been a type of the Lord as the morning star etc which for some reason is hard for some to understand.
I think it comes down to what where and when Satan sinned that influences peoples thoughts... anyway It makes less sense for Jesus to be actually Melchizedek to me for a couple of reasons thats not worth getting into, so anyway just my 2cents worth.

 

[oyster67]

Hebrews 7:3
“Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”

Says he was without beginning and made like the Son of God. The "second begotten"? Bible says Jesus was the only begotten though...
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

I am in a very small minority group of people that believe Melchizedek is actually Satan

Satan sinned long before the time of Abraham.
Did Satan and the Angels have a beginning?

If Melchisidec was like Jesus, could he be an incarnation of the Holy Spirit? "Abiding a priest continually" kind of sounds like the role of the Holy Spirit.

Or was Melchisidec a unique construct, does he still walk the Earth today? If it doesn't matter, why was he mentioned? Why does He exist. (Apparently, He still does.) Should we capitalize His pronoun?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So, is Melchizedek a previous incarnation of Jesus?

not in my opinion brother, but as usual I feel the need to make that point we all have opinions I don’t believe Jesus was ever revealed to man until Christ was born and baptized

my
Opinion is melchezidek is a similitude of Jesus notice his only appearance is to Abraham and he offers Abraham bread and wine with no explaination until Hebrews

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Hebrews 7:3
“Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”

Says he was without beginning and made like the Son of God. The "second begotten"? Bible says Jesus was the only begotten though...
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”





Satan sinned long before the time of Abraham.
Did Satan and the Angels have a beginning?

If Melchisidec was like Jesus, could he be an incarnation of the Holy Spirit? "Abiding a priest continually" kind of sounds like the role of the Holy Spirit.

Or was Melchisidec a unique construct, does he still walk the Earth today? If it doesn't matter, why was he mentioned? Why does He exist. (Apparently, He still does.) Should we capitalize His pronoun?

it seems to be as the Old Testament is it’s hidden behind a veil until e appointed time of the gospel was preached and came forth

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬

Simon the ot you have a lot of prophetic figures of Jesus and the meaning and applications of the gospel forminstance the Passover lamb

they were given a figure to slaughter a lamb for every family member and put the blood on the door and windows so death would pass over in Egypt. That’s a figure of Jesus Gods true Passover lamb whos blood covers our sins and saves us from the death we deserve he is the Passover lamb the lambs of the ot we’re a similitude so we would understand when Jesus was sacrificed

“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭5:7

communion with his body and blood is our true Passover see how the ot sacrificing lambs was a pattern ? It’s true of the whole old testsment the priesthood , the sacrifices , the Passover the sin sacrifice the scapegoat who bore sin on the day of atonement ect Christ fulfilled every figure and pattern relevant in the law even including e book of genesis

Not only Abraham encountering the similitude of melchezidek but also Jacob seeing this figure of Christ the lord

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“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭28:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Everything really that happened on the ot that’s significant is a figure and otters of the gospel that came forth with the messiah Christ isn’t any single fulfillment when we say he is he “high priest “ this doesn’t mean he isn’t everything else also he’s also the son also the Lord also the shepherd also the spirit also the word also everything we needed Christ has become

the words of promise in the ot came forth and we’re manifest in Christ the lord

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Neat Thread.

I too believe Melchizedek was none other than Jesus Christ Himself. Melchizedek is not a Name but a Title, it means simply King of Righteousness. Can a mere man be King of Righteousness? No, it was God Himself, i.e. Jesus Christ, before His Incarnation. Similarly, He is called King of Salem or King of Peace, this too is a Title and a Messianic One, like Prince of Peace in the Prophet Isaiah later on. Again, about Christ.

The Word of God says in Hebrews 7: "7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils."

Without father or mother, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life? Only Jesus Christ fits those attributes.

Greater than Abraham himself? Abraham was considered the greatest saint of his time. Only God was greater than Abraham; again, it confirms this is about Jesus Christ visiting and blessing Abraham.

Recall that in the Gospel of St. John, Jesus Christ said: "56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." He's talking about this incident, when Abraham was visited by Melchizedek and saw Him.

St. Ambrose comments on the passage in Hebrews: "Melchisedech, who is introduced without father, without mother, having neither beginning of days, nor ending, but like the Son of God, of Whom Paul says to the Hebrews: “that He remaineth a priest for ever,” Who in the Latin version is called King of righteousness and King of peace.

46. Do you recognize Who that is? Can a man be king of righteousness, when himself he can hardly be righteous? Can he be king of peace, when he can hardly be peaceable? He it is Who is without mother according to His Godhead, for He was begotten of God the Father, of one substance with the Father; without a father according to His Incarnation, for He was born of a Virgin; having neither beginning nor end, for He is the beginning and end of all things, the first and the last."

From: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/210/2100283.htm

God Bless.

 

[oyster67]

Can a mere man be King of Righteousness?

Good point. Neither can any angel be this. That really nails it down pretty tight.
Hebrews 7:2
“To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;”

The Lord is the only worthy recipient of our tithes and offerings. Human priests were only conduits in this process.

"made like unto the Son of God;" must mean He was the likeness/pre-incarnation of Jesus then.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?

Of course, since even as a born again Christian, you continue to SIN.

The significance of Melchizedek was that he established a HIGHER priesthood, than that of Levi.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

So, is Melchizedek a previous incarnation of Jesus?

Nah - he was just a man, who was a priest of God. I don't believe in "Theophanies".

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Melchizekedek appears in Genesis 14. Another Theophany - this time of Three Persons as One Lord - appears 4 chapters later.

"Gen 18:[1] And the Lord appeared to him in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. [2] And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him three men standing near him: and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground. [3] And he said: Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant:

Who were these Three Persons who were One Lord God? The Holy Trinity, of course. Another Theophany in the Old Testament.

Here's another one, this time of Christ alone, i.e. the Son of God, Who appeared to save Daniel's 3 friends from the fire:

Dan 3:25: “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”

The Holy Bible is full of wondrous prefigurements/theophanies like this. And "like the Son of God" is used here in the same way as in Hebrews 7. Hebrews 7 says Melchizedek had neither father, nor mother, nor beginning of days. nor end of life.

If someone can explain how that can refer to someone other than the Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ, I'm all ears. : ) God Bless.

 

[oyster67]

Dan 3:25: “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”

Does anyone not believe this was pre-incarnate Jesus?

The language ("like the Son of God") does seem similar to the description of Melchizedek.

 

[persistent]

Melchizekedek appears in Genesis 14. Another Theophany - this time of Three Persons as One Lord - appears 4 chapters later.

"Gen 18:[1] And the Lord appeared to him in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. [2] And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him three men standing near him: and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground. [3] And he said: Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant:

Who were these Three Persons who were One Lord God? The Holy Trinity, of course. Another Theophany in the Old Testament.

Here's another one, this time of Christ alone, i.e. the Son of God, Who appeared to save Daniel's 3 friends from the fire:

Dan 3:25: “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”

The Holy Bible is full of wondrous prefigurements/theophanies like this. And "like the Son of God" is used here in the same way as in Hebrews 7. Hebrews 7 says Melchizedek had neither father, nor mother, nor beginning of days. nor end of life.

If someone can explain how that can refer to someone other than the Pre-Incarnate Jesus Christ, I'm all ears. : ) God Bless.

In ((((Genesis 18:1-2))) There is nothing to indicate exactly who the three 'are'. According to the following verse no man has seen the Father,..(((((John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.)))))) More than likely, the record of Genesis 18:1-2 is of Jesus accompanied by two Angels. It seems that The Thrice Holy Father 'can not' and 'will not' tolerate the least amount of sinful nature in His presence and therefore all "work' has been delegated to The One, The Son, Jesus as the following verses indicate..((((Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.))))) These verses CLEARLY indicate all the work of the creation was delegated to Jesus and He was given all authority by His Father. It seems apparent The Father will only be able to be present once Jesus 'restores creation and commits all corruption' to Hell. More on the restoration later as the verses need to be searched as these verses were searched. Are there verses that contradict the words of Jesus as recorded by John in the his Gospel regarding His Father?

 

[Clayman]

Hebrews 7:3
“Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”

Says he was without beginning and made like the Son of God. The "second begotten"? Bible says Jesus was the only begotten though...
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”





Satan sinned long before the time of Abraham.
Did Satan and the Angels have a beginning?

If Melchisidec was like Jesus, could he be an incarnation of the Holy Spirit? "Abiding a priest continually" kind of sounds like the role of the Holy Spirit.

Or was Melchisidec a unique construct, does he still walk the Earth today? If it doesn't matter, why was he mentioned? Why does He exist. (Apparently, He still does.) Should we capitalize His pronoun?

I believe Ezek 28 is directed to Satan, and I think it's describing him in a priestly role, for he had access to the mount of God, we can see the nine stones he was adorned with, nine stones that are also used in the Aaronic priesthood. Etc

Ezek 28:11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoiseand beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.

I believe Satan and the angels are created beings and were created as part of the 6 days of creation and I don't ascribe to any gap theory, of previous creations where things didn't work out and remnants drifted over into our creation etc

So I guess I already start from the premise Satan a guardian cherub was also a priest and was acting or suppose to be acting in that capacity. And I also see that on day 6 of creation everything was very good, so the way I see it at the beginning at least Satan was a good guy in commune with God, yet as we can see by the writing of Ezekiel God is sending a prophet to him.

Also Satan was the king of Tyre in this account, so Satan does fit the role of both priest and king, something the king of Israel was not allowed to do, hence another reason of refering to a greater order than the levitical one.

If Christ was Melchizedek then Hebrews is saying or appealing upon the priest hood of Himself that qualifies Him as both King and Priest, which makes less sense to me. A type or a similtude makes more sense to me.

This can turn into a pretty big subject which I'm scared to go into to much and I don't won't to be dogmatic about anything as I can see why people think otherwise and for their own good reasons that also make some sense, as there are a few differing opinions on this topic, so each to their own...

 

[oyster67]

I believe Satan and the angels are created beings and were created as part of the 6 days of creation and I don't ascribe to any gap theory, of previous creations where things didn't work out and remnants drifted over into our creation etc

Agree, but this Melchisedek is said to be without beginning. Also, Satan fell long before Abraham's time, yes?

15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.

Surely Satan had fallen before He lied to and deceived Eve, yes?

Also Satan was the king of Tyre in this account, so Satan does fit the role of both priest and king, something the king of Israel was not allowed to do, hence another reason of refering to a greater order than the levitical one.

King, maybe, but "King of righteousness"?

This can turn into a pretty big subject which I'm scared to go into to much

It will be OK, as long as we fight nice.

I don't won't to be dogmatic about anything as I can see why people think otherwise and for their own good reasons that also make some sense, as there are a few differing opinions on this topic, so each to their own...

Good way to be.

 

[Asterismos]

Jesus is mediator, high priest, our lawyer who pleads our case to God. We repent in name of Jesus, His blood covers our sins. Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy spirit. Romans 12:2. And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect (mature), will of God. Bottom line is. You need the holy spirit to guide you. Without the holy spirit, you cant please God. Lot of people have spirit of stupor. You can talk to someone who has spirit of slumber till your blue in the face and it wont make difference, they cant understand. Only God can give spirtual sight. Some people have spirit of slumber for their own protection.