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That's hard to say, and I'm glad I'm not God. I think it's one of those things where God can see our hearts and knows better than the rest of us that look at only the outside. Only He knows if the person is able to be held accountable. So, I don't know if that one can be answered in black and white for sure.
A
those diseases are not real, you are thinking in human terms and human words
GOD did not created those illnesses, GOD created everything good and in Genesis he said everything, not just some things, EVERYTHING
it is either sin, need to survive or fulfull some need
the devil and unbelievers will try to tell you otherwise, but reread or listen
GOD did not created those illnesses, GOD created everything good and in Genesis he said everything, not just some things, EVERYTHING
it is either sin, need to survive or fulfull some need
the devil and unbelievers will try to tell you otherwise, but reread or listen
C
As one who has been freed from mental illness, I assure you that mental illness is real. I am not talking about the "psychological disorder of the day" kind of thing. Mental illness has three sources (and often is a combination of these):
1. Physiological: the mind is seated in the body and is influenced by the balances of hormones and other chemicals as well as the functionality of the brain.
2. Environmental: this can range from head injury to childhood trauma to the use of drugs.
3. Spiritual: this ranges from fleshly lack of control to spiritual oppression to demonic possession.
What makes us human is our ability to be something more than the sum of our genetics and our environment. Except in extreme cases (and there are some) the person suffering mental illness is responsible for their actions. What is needed is love, support, patience, prayer, and the work of the Holy Spirit toward freedom. Look around your congregation. I guarentee that there are those who struggle with mental illness but who are afraid to appeal to their brothers and sisters in the Lord for support. "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."
1. Physiological: the mind is seated in the body and is influenced by the balances of hormones and other chemicals as well as the functionality of the brain.
2. Environmental: this can range from head injury to childhood trauma to the use of drugs.
3. Spiritual: this ranges from fleshly lack of control to spiritual oppression to demonic possession.
What makes us human is our ability to be something more than the sum of our genetics and our environment. Except in extreme cases (and there are some) the person suffering mental illness is responsible for their actions. What is needed is love, support, patience, prayer, and the work of the Holy Spirit toward freedom. Look around your congregation. I guarentee that there are those who struggle with mental illness but who are afraid to appeal to their brothers and sisters in the Lord for support. "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."
J
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I agree with you. My mom is Paranoid Schziphrenic(sp?). When you are around her you will never know because she is on medicine. When she is off of her medicine, she is hard to handle. She has been that way since I was 5 and I'm 19 now. She is in the church, saved and she is the young adult sunday school teacher and she studys so much. She says she is heal, but when she gets off that medicine, she starts talking to herself again, and have inapproiate(sp?) behavior. Mental illiness is real. I don't care who don't agree with me.
I agree with you. My mom is Paranoid Schziphrenic(sp?). When you are around her you will never know because she is on medicine. When she is off of her medicine, she is hard to handle. She has been that way since I was 5 and I'm 19 now. She is in the church, saved and she is the young adult sunday school teacher and she studys so much. She says she is heal, but when she gets off that medicine, she starts talking to herself again, and have inapproiate(sp?) behavior. Mental illiness is real. I don't care who don't agree with me.
C
Thank you for your brave post. My wife has an illness that they are unable to diagnose. It causes her to react to trauma by swelling up. If she bites her tongue it will swell up until it sticks out of her mouth. It causes her blood pressure to spike to stroke level. She takes medicine every day for it. We pray for healing, and believe that one day God will heal. In the meantime, she takes her medicine. Your mother is no different. When Jesus healed the seven lepers, he sent them to be observed by the priest. The healing did not disappear because of them going. When God heals your mother, and I pray it is so, the doctors will be able to confirm this for the glory of God. In the meantime, her taking medicine is no more a sign of spiritual weakness than me going to the dentist for a toothache.
charis, look up this rare genetic disorder, also ask if your wife has been tested for this.
I hope Im spelling this right, but it is called (hereditary angio adiema,) like I said Im a lousy speller.
It is just a coincidence that my family is waiting on testing for this.
But many times I have learned that the coincidences are Gods miricals.
It may be a shot in the dark but my family has suffered for years from weird undiagnosed symptoms.
Recient illnesses have brought this to the forfront.
The symptoms you mentioned fall under this.
God bless, pickles
I hope Im spelling this right, but it is called (hereditary angio adiema,) like I said Im a lousy speller.
It is just a coincidence that my family is waiting on testing for this.
But many times I have learned that the coincidences are Gods miricals.
It may be a shot in the dark but my family has suffered for years from weird undiagnosed symptoms.
Recient illnesses have brought this to the forfront.
The symptoms you mentioned fall under this.
God bless, pickles
It truly amazes me how people would answer a question in a christian web- site and not refer a person back to God as if God is somewhat like man to them: or say there is no answer to what they are answer; when a simple " I dont know I will seek the Lord and get back to you... to send a person into the world for answer when it is the world that caused the promblem in the first place, world meaning; the devil, who is the prince of the powers of the air, who also is who Christ said is the god of this world.
I will tell you what the Lord say about mental illness according to black n white that is on the pages of the bible.
1). MARK 5,,,,And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains 4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand.
This is only one instance of what the devil(s) can do to a person; do he sound like he had a mental illness; he had up to 2,000 demons working through him and him and they messed his mind up. but he saw Jesus and he had enough sence to go get help from Christ and did not seek man nor did he let them help him as so many do today, yet do not and can not get the help they need for only God through Christ Jesus can deliver them. We as christian have to faithful servants so God can use us to set these people free from the bondage of satan.. I don't know if God would hold them accountable for being yoked by demons.. but theses demons does not have full control over no man unless they give it to them...
I will ask all who desire to help others who is in bondage to satan ( demons/devils ) to " READ THE WORD OF GOD" for a carnal mind is enmity ( deep seeded hatred ) with God. and I can see why God say this. for some would send others into the a den of wolves, when they are sheep seeking God; the good shepard.
read about: the woman who say her daughter is possed with a devil, the man who brought his son the Jesus and said he throws him in the fire and in the water to drown him, read about all those who Christ freed who was bound by the devil,,, there are too many accounts in the Word of God for christians to be talking about, psychiatrist, and pills, when these people clearly need Jesus.
hope you will as well as many seek God foreal, if they want real solutions to there promblems...
I will tell you what the Lord say about mental illness according to black n white that is on the pages of the bible.
1). MARK 5,,,,And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains 4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. 5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. 6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, 7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. 8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand.
This is only one instance of what the devil(s) can do to a person; do he sound like he had a mental illness; he had up to 2,000 demons working through him and him and they messed his mind up. but he saw Jesus and he had enough sence to go get help from Christ and did not seek man nor did he let them help him as so many do today, yet do not and can not get the help they need for only God through Christ Jesus can deliver them. We as christian have to faithful servants so God can use us to set these people free from the bondage of satan.. I don't know if God would hold them accountable for being yoked by demons.. but theses demons does not have full control over no man unless they give it to them...
I will ask all who desire to help others who is in bondage to satan ( demons/devils ) to " READ THE WORD OF GOD" for a carnal mind is enmity ( deep seeded hatred ) with God. and I can see why God say this. for some would send others into the a den of wolves, when they are sheep seeking God; the good shepard.
read about: the woman who say her daughter is possed with a devil, the man who brought his son the Jesus and said he throws him in the fire and in the water to drown him, read about all those who Christ freed who was bound by the devil,,, there are too many accounts in the Word of God for christians to be talking about, psychiatrist, and pills, when these people clearly need Jesus.
hope you will as well as many seek God foreal, if they want real solutions to there promblems...
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When you boil it down, I think you’ll find sin is nothing more than an act of selfishness. We all need to be unselfish, even people who are mentally ill. Can you imagine living in a world where a certain group of people is allowed to murder, rape, or steal simply because they are mentally ill?
If a person is unaware of what they are doing, then I imagine that person should be confined, wouldn’t you think?
If a person is unaware of what they are doing, then I imagine that person should be confined, wouldn’t you think?
Mentally ill people have something legitimately wrong with their brains. Their synapses don't work like those of normal people, and this can drastically alter their ability to understand the world around them and to perceive the consequences of their actions. Obviously if they're a danger to others then we can't allow them to do what they please, but we also can't hold them criminally or morally responsible on the same level we would a fully-functional individual.
J
From a standpoint of someone who does suffer from a mental illness, I am shocked by just how ignorant some people are, If I were to get off my meds I would suffer from paranoid delusions. But thank God for medication.
Anyone who would say that I am possessed is well, to be nice I will just say uneducated, and narrow minded.
So anyone who would judge me because of my illness is not worth knowing.
Anyone who would say that I am possessed is well, to be nice I will just say uneducated, and narrow minded.
So anyone who would judge me because of my illness is not worth knowing.
S
Some mentally ill people are almost child like in their behavior. Some are not respnsible for their behavior. Some are confined. And some that should be can not be thanks to some of the progressive "reform" that we have in our country today. While I am not excusing all behavior committed by mentally ill people, I wonder why there is so little compassion for them? Why so much animosity and fear, and accusations of demon possession?
Jesus said, "'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'" Mark 25:40
"Luke 9:48
Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest."
I pray to God, that mental illness never touches your family. But please, have some compassion. There but by the grace of God goes YOU.
Debbie
Jesus said, "'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'" Mark 25:40
"Luke 9:48
Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest."
I pray to God, that mental illness never touches your family. But please, have some compassion. There but by the grace of God goes YOU.
Debbie
S
Dear Grey,
I vote we help this individual get rid of the symptoms you described in your post, and then they will "see" clearly to be empowered to learn instead, how to walk with GOD, and then, they will be able to discern between good and evil, and probably sin much less.
Does this sound like a good idea to you?
These two '' ailments '' that you mention ............dementia, and multiple personality disorder, are mere attempts on behalf of the medical establishment to categorize or name a problem that they don't understand, because their medical training doesn't include knowing how to deal with SOUL OR SPIRIT ISSUES........They're just trained in PHYSIOLOGICAL approaches and modalities to ailments, and they don't know how to treat the WHOLE person..............
I am praying for this individual, even though I don't know his / her name, FATHER knows...............
SeekinHIM
I vote we help this individual get rid of the symptoms you described in your post, and then they will "see" clearly to be empowered to learn instead, how to walk with GOD, and then, they will be able to discern between good and evil, and probably sin much less.
Does this sound like a good idea to you?
These two '' ailments '' that you mention ............dementia, and multiple personality disorder, are mere attempts on behalf of the medical establishment to categorize or name a problem that they don't understand, because their medical training doesn't include knowing how to deal with SOUL OR SPIRIT ISSUES........They're just trained in PHYSIOLOGICAL approaches and modalities to ailments, and they don't know how to treat the WHOLE person..............
I am praying for this individual, even though I don't know his / her name, FATHER knows...............
SeekinHIM
SeekingHIM, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've proven my first instinct right. I think every one of us who has honestly dealt with mental illnesses would back me up on this: go away and take your crackpot theories elsewhere. Here in the real world, doctors deal with real people and real psychiatric problems, and I thank God that I got actual help from actual specialists.