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Metanoia/Repentance
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It's good to see some "repenting" changing their minds about eating and working out. Now it's time to show the fruits of this repentance..
It's actually is a fruit of the Spirit within - self-control is of the Spirit and not the flesh. Gal 5:21-22
It's actually is a fruit of the Spirit within - self-control is of the Spirit and not the flesh. Gal 5:21-22
This is because sin is IN us., not outside of us. It is what comes from inside of us that defiles us. This is why God goes at the inside!
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UnderGrace
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You forgot about me I love hyper repentance too and hyper grace. God's love knows no bounds!
Holy - the seventh day
Fruit offering to God
Able favoured over Cain
Sin - Cain killed Able
Sin of the people of Noah, judgement
Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, judgement
Sacrifices by Jacob for his father Isaac
Defiled Dinah, rape
Moses - Holy ground
Pharaoh repentance
"I have sinned against the Lord your God and against you. Now forgive my sin once more and pray to the Lord your God to take this deadly plague away from me."
Exodus 10:16-17
Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants.
Lev 18:25
The idea of repenting is seemingly first demonstrated by Pharoah who then hardens his heart.
It is linked to prayer to God for forgiveness, but not sacrifice.
Only in the law there first appears the idea you sacrifice for forgiveness.
Interestingly sacrifices for fellowship and harvest were still part of temple practice.
We have not taken any of this aspect of sacrificing into being christians, though it
still seems a good idea to celebrate Gods blessing of our lives.
Fruit offering to God
Able favoured over Cain
Sin - Cain killed Able
Sin of the people of Noah, judgement
Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, judgement
Sacrifices by Jacob for his father Isaac
Defiled Dinah, rape
Moses - Holy ground
Pharaoh repentance
"I have sinned against the Lord your God and against you. Now forgive my sin once more and pray to the Lord your God to take this deadly plague away from me."
Exodus 10:16-17
Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants.
Lev 18:25
The idea of repenting is seemingly first demonstrated by Pharoah who then hardens his heart.
It is linked to prayer to God for forgiveness, but not sacrifice.
Only in the law there first appears the idea you sacrifice for forgiveness.
Interestingly sacrifices for fellowship and harvest were still part of temple practice.
We have not taken any of this aspect of sacrificing into being christians, though it
still seems a good idea to celebrate Gods blessing of our lives.
Amen!
Sin is confined to the flesh. When we sin we are giving in to the flesh to fulfill "its" desire. There is no sin in the inner man in Christ. It is created in righteousness and holiness.
Romans 6:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
We are to walk by the Spirit and then we will not give in to the lusts of the flesh to fulfill "its" desires.
Paul said in Colossians that we have been circumcised with the circumcision of Christ in the heart which separated the new man in Christ from the body of flesh.
Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
The Holy Spirit "seals" us in Christ. He cut away the body of the flesh from our true selves in our new creation in Christ - our new spirit that is joined as one with the Lord. We also have the mind of Christ but we need to have our old way of thinking renewed to the realities that are in Christ.
This brain that we have has it in the old ways of doing things and the world's influences on it. This is the true double-mindedness - having two minds - one is the mind of Christ in our inner man and the other it the left over residue of how we have lived in the past and are living now.
We are being transformed in our minds by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory of the Lord.
OK - I think you may have a point too.
I know when I read it I thought - I won't answer that - or he will catch me in a trap! But maybe we should sometimes just jump in - and if we get caught in a trap - learn from it!
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eternally-gratefull
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That would be fine, But a certain group has a habit of doing this very thing the past few months..
If it was this persons first time, and there had not been a habit of these types of things, Then it would probably not even have been mentioned.
My denomination spells FAITH, R-I-S-K. Maybe that applies in dealing with people we know are of a certain mindset?
Makes sense - I am not here enough to know who all is what groups and what is happening . . .
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eternally-gratefull
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its all good bro, I see you are a newbie pretty much, so would not expect you to understand, To you I guess I can see it being odd we would act this way..
Forgive us..
"When they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin—and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’; and if they turn back to you with all their heart and soul in the land of their enemies who took them captive, and pray to you toward the land you gave their ancestors, toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name; then from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. And forgive your people, who have sinned against you; forgive all the offenses they have committed against you, and cause their captors to show them mercy; for they are your people and your inheritance, whom you brought out of Egypt, out of that iron-smelting furnace."
1 Kings 8:46-51
Here is a good example of the full context of repentance.
This is as true today as it was back then.
1 Kings 8:46-51
Here is a good example of the full context of repentance.
This is as true today as it was back then.
What is happening is that a certain group here, who wants their view expressed unopposed, conflates doctrines with the people who hold those doctrines in order to make it appear personal so as to shut down discussion against their doctrine.
Repentance is a precious act
Jesus called us to repent.
John the baptist called people to repent.
Peter the apostle called people to repent.
The above verse shows
1. Change of heart
2. Repenting
3. Pleading or confession "We have sinned"
4. Turning back to God
When this is changed into something else there has to be a reasonable
justification.
Now Jesus was a Jew, John the Baptist and the apostles.
For them the word repent would have been used in the context above unless
they taught otherwise. You have to remember most of the church were
converted jews until Peter had a vision and Paul started his ministry.
The core issue was around do you have to be a ceremonial Jew to be saved,
not sin, repentance, getting right with God is through Christ instead of sacrifices.
Jesus called us to repent.
John the baptist called people to repent.
Peter the apostle called people to repent.
The above verse shows
1. Change of heart
2. Repenting
3. Pleading or confession "We have sinned"
4. Turning back to God
When this is changed into something else there has to be a reasonable
justification.
Now Jesus was a Jew, John the Baptist and the apostles.
For them the word repent would have been used in the context above unless
they taught otherwise. You have to remember most of the church were
converted jews until Peter had a vision and Paul started his ministry.
The core issue was around do you have to be a ceremonial Jew to be saved,
not sin, repentance, getting right with God is through Christ instead of sacrifices.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
No Chester, do not listen to this person.
What is happening here is a group of people want to attack another group of people. and it does not matter how many times they are told. When they say WE (as a group) believe do not believe what they claim we believe, they never repent.
Look around the threads, We do not get angry when people disagree with us,, We will however, stand in the way of people bearing false witness against us..
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Acts 2:38
Blessed are those whose ways are blameless,
who walk according to the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are those who keep his statutes
and seek him with all their heart—
3 they do no wrong
but follow his ways.
4 You have laid down precepts
that are to be fully obeyed.
5 Oh, that my ways were steadfast
in obeying your decrees!
6 Then I would not be put to shame
when I consider all your commands.
7 I will praise you with an upright heart
as I learn your righteous laws.
8 I will obey your decrees;
do not utterly forsake me.
Psalm 119
Acts 2:38
Blessed are those whose ways are blameless,
who walk according to the law of the Lord.
2 Blessed are those who keep his statutes
and seek him with all their heart—
3 they do no wrong
but follow his ways.
4 You have laid down precepts
that are to be fully obeyed.
5 Oh, that my ways were steadfast
in obeying your decrees!
6 Then I would not be put to shame
when I consider all your commands.
7 I will praise you with an upright heart
as I learn your righteous laws.
8 I will obey your decrees;
do not utterly forsake me.
Psalm 119
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Rev 21:6-8
Rev 21:6-8
8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.
10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony 11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates,and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beastand out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spiritsthat perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”
16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
Rev 16
10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony 11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.
12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates,and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beastand out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spiritsthat perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”
16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.
Rev 16