Modern World: Old World Chaos Theory

[GodIsSalvation]

Well conspiracy theories I enjoy much indeed! Not that I believe them all. I really like how the sticky poster mentions it to look moreso as "conspiracy research." I think everyone's favorite in the secular world and even to a degree the Christian community believes in the good old fashioned New World Order. Now to begin with, since I believe in the greatest conspiracy, that of the Bible prophecies, I can see how this New World Order idea is really just a bunch of junk easily.


However I'm going to make a jump here because this is after all the realm of Theory.

To a degree NWO conspiracy theories are true to a degree. Many Western leaders openly seek a New World Order and proclaim it with their lips. So to open up I suppose I will give here a link to some fun New World Order quotes by our leaders.

A New World Order Potpourri: Quotes from Biden, Bush, Kissinger, Kerry, Clinton, Nixon & Maddow - YouTube

So by this I first denounce the New World Order Conspiracy Theory as a Conspiracy because its no conspiracy, its talked about openly. In fact going by each different figure you can see how they all have different visions and even straight up futile hopes for their NWO lol. Not all are bad people, though some are foolish indeed. This all proves that the New World Order is merely a Theory, and one bound the fail.


Here is where I enter with my Theory. I call it Old World Chaos. Sin and Death Mankind freely chose when he forsake his own immortality and brought Death into the World, for all ages there has been nothing but Death and Chaos. By now, it's getting pretty Old (still some to go though.) I guess one could argue that in the Space Age we are even beyond World at this point lol, but we'll try to keep things more grounded with this theory and restrict it to the World and leave the UFOs/Space Spiritual Phenomena debate up to others.

Now all Theories must be able to be falsified. Since World is defined as this Earth we need not worry about disproving what is the World. How one could falsify the Old World Chaos Theory is by showing the unity, order, and rule of a single person or governmental body, or organizaiton that rules this whole World (and presumably they/it are New).

If you would like to play into the Old World Chaos Theory that's very easy to find evidence to support it in the news everyday on almost any subject. So to today's news we go and to show proof of Old World Chaos here is North Korea threatening South Korea by fax. Whether or not the DPRK carries out its blustery threats is irrelevant as just this message shows these two countries justt simply don't get along. If the New World Order were true, how can Korea not even regain its former unity and be a One Whole Korea? If the Old World Chaos theory is false Korea's problems would be settled by diplomacy rather than military stand offs and threats.
N. Korea threatens to 'strike South Korea mercilessly' - CNN.com






Also while on subject of North Korea and remembering this is a Christian Chat, if anyone is not aware, please keep American Kenneth Bae and the other oppressed people of the DPRK in your prayers for being punished for no other reason than being Christians. Their resolve is an example to us all, may God bless them in anyway.

Article and video about release of Merrill Newman (thank God) and the still plight of our brother Kenneth Bae North Korea refuses to release Kenneth Bae, but allows Merrill Newman to go home – Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

Now a lot of Christians also think of this NWO idea as a zeitgeist against them, that's not a bad thought. LORD says be wary of destruction and evil and to watch for the signs that most come. Remember the nature of sin and evil though, it hurts even itself! Anyone can see from many other resources that North Korea defies the NWO, but that doesn't mean we ought to pursue a system like theirs because look at its fruits, it can barely hold itself together. A lot of people that want a NWO are honestly just wishful thinkers in my opinion, though we must always factor in some malignant actors. The sad fact of this current era is Old World Chaos. And so here is just a little bit of evidence and contemplation behind it.


I'd be very interested in anyone's musings, proofs, examples, whatever For or Against this Theory.


And please remember don't lose Hope brothers just because of the Old World Chaos Theory's proofs. Remember the promises of Jesus about Salvation to those that seek Him when He finally puts an end to all this Old World Chaos.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

So if the New World Order doesn't exist, what is all this talk of "globalism", "the international community" and "the United Nations" in my ears? Just other conspiracy theories, perhaps?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Ah indeed good proofs and theories for the New World Order. As I did try to point out it is true, many Western Leaders espouse a New World Order with their own lips (video link provided in above post to some famous NWO quotes.) Thus I deem it not a conspiracy since its publicly discussed. I would deem it a Theory and many different flavors does that NWO Theory come in. Anything from a 1984 type NWO Theory, to Brave New World NWO Theory, to even communism itself beign a NWO Theory. Heck one could say a perfect world where we could have order be to have everyone be a Christian, and that would be a positive NWO theory.



Ponder this though. Does the rest of the World agree with those that say themselves they want a New World Order? Even if they are actively trying to implement the New World Order; does the current state of the Old World Chaos prevent this? Then maybe even ask yourself; which is growing in scope, the New World Order or the Old World Chaos?

I like your input though, and you raise the good point that many people do strive for glabalism, New World Order, a stronger UN, etc. That does not however mean they are succeeding. Also consider not all those people mean to have a bad sort of NWO. Like I said in my first post. I think many are just wishful thinkers, but it is pretty indisputable through history you do have a clique or an individual who wants the more malignant type of NWO. Remember though, they always fail. No man may rule God's Creation.

 

[majorjones]

Then again, "the" anti-christ was never the "one" attempting it. And no one to date has had God's permission to succeed, or the technology, infrastructure, and tools necessary to accomplish global domination. There is a global monetary system so completely intertwined and deeply entrenched at this point that is controlled by a relative handful of globalists, that every nation on earth is at thier mercy. "This", is not a conspiracy, it is a soon to be realized fact, as backed up by scripture re: the tribulation period. I won't be here, so those who are can deal with it.... \o/

 

[GodIsSalvation]

To majorjones: I understand your view on a global monetary system possibly being a sign of the Beasts. Think of this though. The Bible doesn't specifically say there will be a global monetary system. It merely says that those without the Mark will be prohibited from buying or selling. Such a thing could be accomplished even without a global currency. As for the Tribulations, perhaps they are all ready here.

As for the globalists, I don't think they are all bad after studying them. There are many globalists too, it's not just a small group. If I were to be somewhat poetic I suppose one could call me a globalist as I wish for God's goodness to rule the World. I do want to add though it is very good that you are vigilant Majorjones! God did after all say we must be watchful. Fear not the New World Order nor Old World Chaos because God is Salvation.



Anyways, let's continue with the Old World Chaos Theory. Let's take a look at globalism and its failure. As we all know the United Nations is the pre-eminent globalist organization currently. Seeing as the UN is the most powerful globalist body we must ask ourselves these questions: Is the UN the New World Order? Is the UN in a position to take supreme globalist power?

I personally like some of the work the UN does. However, the UN is not perfect by any means. The Kings of the Earth constantly show their disdain and disregard for the UN, and it is the most open secret in the World that the UN is basically toothless without support from the Security Council, and even then it still has a sad track record of failing to provide Order. If the UN is indeed the New World Order, or its forerunner, how is it that the UN cannot even bring Order to a relatively small and poor nation like South Sudan?
Here are some recent articles to support my claim:
Kerry sends envoy to South Sudan as violence grows - CNN.com

Americans airlifted from South Sudan city racked by violence - CNN.com
(This last article here has a recap of the first article, but contains additional information. Another interesting thing about this 2nd article is it mentions the UN plans to transfer forces and resources from Congo to help South Sudan. The situation of the Congo is that of brutal Old World Chaos which the UN has been unable to prevent or stop for decades now. There is some saving grace in these articles as 15 Americans have been flown back home to safety, but please remember and pray for the plight of our South Sudanese brothers and sisters whom are still caught in the path of Old World Chaos.)

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Sorry in advance for double post, but I have seen this news in light of Christmas and it shows many things both in support of Old World Chaos and as a testament to be remembered.

This story takes place in Iraq. As we know from history Iraq was ruled by the tyrant Saddam Hussein. America and NATO allies deposed the tyrant, but was unable to piece Iraq back together again. From the last reports for 2013 that I have seen, Iraq is second only to Syria for violence. It is hard to call Iraq a civil war as there is much international and intra-national struggle from many different sides.

Christmas attacks show security challenges in Iraq and Afghanistan - CNN.com

This brings us to the article above. On Christmas, several Christians were murdered in a bombing after leaving their church. They were murdered for simply celebrating the gift of God, which is Jesus/Yeshua. This displays for one, how if the NWO is real, it hath failed in Iraq miserably. It secondly shows the spread and evil of Old World Chaos in our own time. Lastly it also prove that those people the died were immensly courageous and brave to openly celebrate Jesus in the dark land of Iraq, where such a public display of faith is often met with violence. Remember to honor these good Iraqi people!

Don't worry so much for those good Christians which perished only temporarily, for because they were slain for their belief in God they will be raised up on the day of Resurrection by God Himself. Pray though for those still living under the yolk of Chaos in Iraq. I know we have had visitors to this site from Iraq that have asked for our prayers, please give it to them. It is easy for us in the West to fall into the illusion of comfort and to forget the outside World is much more chaotic and dark than many of us in the West can even begin to comprehend.

If anyone is in Iraq and reading this understand the LORD knows your hardships, He knows you suffer under the yolk of poverty, chaos, violence, and islam. You Christians of Iraq are some of God's most glorious people on all of Earth for having to suffer for Him. Don't forget how important you are! Not only to the rest of the World, but to God Himself. One day the Chaos, the Death, the Sin will all be defeated by the LORD, and those that suffered for His Sake will be rewarded. May God bless the good people of Iraq that have to live in such dark times. Remember people of Iraq, you all are on the frontlines of the wickedness of the World. Your hardships and resolve to follow God are a testament to your honor, strength, and courage. This is something all people should remember and contemplate this Christmas season.

 

[nimbus3852]

To be an anti-christ, one must be against Jesus. The world is actually FOR Jesus!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well there are numerous examples in the past week of violence contrary to a New World Order and seemingly supporting Old World Chaos that we could analyze from the violence in Lebanon, Central African Republic violence and refugee flight, South Sudan violence, to Iraq's continuing civil war, to twin bombings in the Russian city of Volgograd, continuation of Afghanistan War, and of course Syria isn't slowing down the suicide of their nation anytime soon.

However, to break from the doom and gloom and Chaos for a moment; I saw a very intriguing article on the slow-down in Globalization. Firstly, we must understand that globalization is something of an economic term, not a term for a one world government. Globalization is merely the recent trend starting in the late 20th century where trade has become increasingly globalized. There are many pros and cons to Globalization. Some Pros that we see are obvious; increases in availability of resources, an opening of the world's common people to communicate with eachother (this excellent website is a testament to that), and of course rapid economic growth. Some cons to globalization that we have seen is job loss in manufacturing, technology stealing and espionage, and a greater vulnerability to individual national economies when one major economy falters (ie: 2008 crash and the subsequent Euro-Zone Crisis.)

Where this plays into the New World Order vs Old World Chaos model is that naturally believers in the NWO believe globalization to be a gateway for the NWO. Perhaps correctly so if we lived in a perfect world. I will say our modern trend of globalization is certainly New to history, it has provided somewhat Order (at least among the Great Empires), and naturally its Worldwide. However according to this article it appears that for the first time in 30 years Globalization has actually begun to slow down thanks to a rise in technology, slight return to protectionism, and Localization (a greater growith in and demand for locally made products.) It should also be noted as the article points out the last time this happened was the Great Depression.


Here is the article which also includes a brief video that contains a useful graph for visual aid:
Have we reached the end of globalization? – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs


Now this doesn't so much play into Old World Chaos per se, but is moreso a useful article in pondering that perhaps the New World Order theory and globalization might not be as infallible as its proponents and opponents believe it is. It is also somewhat a positive article too if you read into it as unlike in the 1930s where such a thing would probably lead to an automatic Depression, today our advances in technology, global cooperation, and the recently growing trend of localization seem to be able to make up for the lag in the globalized economy.....for now.

So I suppose I will turn the article's question over to you all to ponder: Has Globalization (economically speaking) reached it's peak?

To add my own questions: Will globalization continue to slow down and maybe lead to a crash? Will it pick up a again and begin to grow bolstered by new technology, global interaction, and growth in localized resource? Will it stagnate and we will hit something of a singularity?

Only God knows how it will turn out in the near future, but it's quite interesting to ponder.

 

[yaknowmay]

SAYING THE WORDS NEW WORLD ORDER SOUNDS SO SEXY......IT WREAKS OF PLOTS, BAD GUYS IN EXPENSIVE SUITS, AND HEROES TO BE NAMED LATER......BUT IN REALITY.....THE FBI, CIA, AND THE GOOD FOLK AT VERIZON HAVE BEEN READING YOUR MAIL, TAPPING YOUR PHONE, AND TRACKING YOU FOR A REAL LONG TIME....IF SPYING ON ME IS THE BEST THE ANTI-CHRIST HAS TO OFFER.....I AM NOT IMPRESSED...NOT AT ALL.....ANYONE EVER HEARD OF J.EDGER HOOVER??.....HOW BOUT A PRESIDENT NAMED NIXON ??......THE DEVIL HAD NOTHING ON THEM....WHEN IT CAME TO SPYING.....OR LOOKING AWESOME IN A DRESS....BUT I DIGRESS.....THAT LAST JAB WILL GO OVER SOME OF YOUR HEADS

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well it's been a month since I updated this, my apologies. Obviously there is much conflict we could touch upon that has happened within the past month alone that totally defies the New World Order Conspiracy Theory.

However, I was browsing through youtube, and I found a pretty good video I'd like to share with you all. Now we could look at the chaos itself to clearly demonstrate that even if there are people plotting to make a super-malicious NWO, that they have failed epicly. However this video moreso deals with just one the source of chaos itself. One of the biggest sources for conflict in the world is Borders (though there are plenty of other sources of chaos and conflict.)

So here is a pretty good video that demonstrates the ideas behind borders, enclaves and exclaves, and gives a couple exaples of some of the most complex borders in the world today. Not all the border conflicts are nessecarily actively at war, but they still do provide a diplomatic headache at the very least for much of the world, and they certainly aren't going away anytime too soon.

The Most Complex International Borders in the World - YouTube

[video=youtube;gtLxZiiuaXs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLxZiiuaXs[/video]

 

[biscuit]

I believe the NWO exists and is in place and the only missing piece is the Antichrist.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I believe the NWO exists and is in place and the only missing piece is the Antichrist.

Lol then that begs three questions:

1. Where is the New? Much of the turmoils of the world are old indeed.

2. Who controls the entire World? The Earth is clearly divided in our time today with no one nation, group, or organization that control the entire planet.

3. Where is the Order? There is in fact much Chaos all over the world and that chaos has steadily been growing at an alarming rate since the beginning of the 21st Century, and has in fact accelerated since the Arab Spring up to today.

Though I would like to add I do in fact believe many different groups strive for a New World Order, clearly that is no secret at all as they publicly announce such. However it seems to me that there are a multitude of different groups that all have different visions for how such a New World Order might be implemented and all these different groups are in direct competition with eachother.

 

[biscuit]

Lol then that begs three questions:

1. Where is the New? Much of the turmoils of the world are old indeed.

2. Who controls the entire World? The Earth is clearly divided in our time today with no one nation, group, or organization that control the entire planet.

3. Where is the Order? There is in fact much Chaos all over the world and that chaos has steadily been growing at an alarming rate since the beginning of the 21st Century, and has in fact accelerated since the Arab Spring up to today.

Though I would like to add I do in fact believe many different groups strive for a New World Order, clearly that is no secret at all as they publicly announce such. However it seems to me that there are a multitude of different groups that all have different visions for how such a New World Order might be implemented and all these different groups are in direct competition with eachother.

Agree!! I believe that there are 7 dark forces (groups) who have been preparing for decades to takeover the world but are waiting for the Antichrist to appear. These dark forces tried in WW1 & WW2 but were defeated because the Holy Spirit of Christianity was just too strong. Therefore, God's people will have to disappear with the Holy Ghost in order for the NWO to come to light. Translation: the Church has to be out of the picture before the Antichrist appears. The Church will be raptured and the Antichrist, with his 7 dark forces, will rule the world through Tribulation.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Agree!! I believe that there are 7 dark forces (groups) who have been preparing for decades to takeover the world but are waiting for the Antichrist to appear. These dark forces tried in WW1 & WW2 but were defeated because the Holy Spirit of Christianity was just too strong. Therefore, God's people will have to disappear with the Holy Ghost in order for the NWO to come to light. Translation: the Church has to be out of the picture before the Antichrist appears. The Church will be raptured and the Antichrist, with his 7 dark forces, will rule the world through Tribulation.

Eh I am sure that is not the case myself since that would in fact stand in direct contradiction to Bible Prophecies regarding the end of the world and also to the basic common sense of history and the current modern state of the world. I would say you have half the picture here.

The Half you have that is true is that there are several antichristian forces in this world (way way more than just 7.) All these forces desire a new world order. Now Christians of course are in opposition to their plans for a new world order since in Christianity we have our own vision of a new world order (ours being that God literally dissolves the world and recreates the perfect creation and resurrects all the righteous and those that believed in Jesus (God Is Salvation) shall live forever.

However, we Christians are not the only stumbling block to others' New World Order, but in fact all other New World Orders are opposed by eachother (ie: Western capitalist/materialist new world order sees a vision of a united world under secular western law and the precepts of materialism reigning supreme and guided by the laws of capitalism which is in direct opposition to islamic new world order, a world dominated by the religion of islam which is also opposed to communist new world order of the atheistic classless and borderless communist utopia, etc. etc.)

And all that conflict between competing visions of a New World Order are just the macro-scale examples. When you break down people groups into smaller groups, or a micro-scale you will find then their vision of a new world order varies and even competes with eachother even if they are adherent to a larger new world order group. (ie: shia islam believing Ali was the true successor to Mohammad designated to establish Caliphate as opposed to sunni islam which holds Abu Bakr was Mohammad's successor. Or American Liberalism vs American constitutional conservatism in the context of Western Secularist NWO. Marxist-Leninism vs Maoism vs Juche in the cotnext of communistic NWO. Or people who believe in the pre-tribulation period rapture as opposed to people who believe in God's Promise of Resurrection in the Christian Biblical NWO.)

The half you are a missing is that which comes from the Bible itself which lays out how the end of the world shall be. A vision of extreme chaos and hardship beyond even a historical or modern perspective. The lynch-pin to the prophesied Beast which pop culture refers to as The Antichrist is in a deception strong enough to delude most of the world except for the few remaining Christians in that prophesied era. In the end the prophecy culminates with God resurrecting humanity, judging the righteous and the wicked, dissolving the world, throwing satan and death itself away in the eternal fires, and creating the perfect world where there shall be no pain, no death, no suffering, and mankind will be lead by Jesus to the waters of life thus reattaining immortality.

 

[Jackson123]

I think New world Order is vatican agenda. There are hundreds of article, how Vatican promote NWO. Mean Vatican want it to happen. Most people believe it will look like communist. And communist come from Paraguay reduction a communist experiment for 158 years in Paraguay by Jesuit.
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(NaturalNews) During a recent speech he made before the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peacein Rome on December 3, Pope Benedict XVI, the current leader of the Roman Catholic Church, called for what can only be described as a unified world government, which he dubbed a "new evangelization of society" that aligns with the spirit of visions brought forth by previous popes.

While addressing the council, Pope Benedict XVI made numerous references to this "new evangelization" as an integral part of the Roman Catholic Church's world mission. And when defining what this phrase actually means, Pope Benedict XVI spoke about how individualism must be transformed into a type of communalism marked by interconnectedness and "family formation" on a global scale.

Part of this entails the "construction of a world community," as translated from the original speech, which was given in Italian. And to guide this world community will be a "corresponding authority" whose purpose it is to serve and promote the "common good of the human family." In other words, a "New World Order," in no uncertain terms, is the ultimate goal of the Roman Catholic Church.

Pope Benedict XVI is not interested in just any New World Order, however. He made it clear that the Roman Catholic Church's responsibility is to guide those who are actually bringing about this world government in how to promote an "anthropological and ethical framework around the common good." Along with this, will be a comprehensive reform of the corrupt international monetary and financial systems, of course in line with Roman Catholic doctrines.

Such language may initially sound benevolent to some, but what does it all really mean? Based on the Roman Catholic Church's sordid history of consolidating power and mandating its religion on societies through a blending of church and state, it is hard to call such a proposition by Pope Benedict XVI anything other than a call for a dictatorial New World Order guided and controlled by the Roman Catholic Church.

"These latest remarks made by the Pope and the Catholic Church come as no surprise considering that in 2010 the Catholic Church sought the establishment of a new Central World Bank that would be responsible for regulating the global financial industry and the international money supply," wrote Andrew Puhanic from Activist Post about Pope Benedict XVI's latest speech.

"It was reported (back in 2011) that the Vatican sought 'a supranatural authority' which would have worldwide scope and 'universal jurisdiction' to guide and control global economic policies and decisions." (http://www.infowars.com/vatican-calls-for-central-world-bank/

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well to update this thread I figured I'd share another video by the same guy that made the Border Conflict video.

The basic premise of the video is: How many Countries are in the World?

Now while this might seem like a simple question, like just about everything in Geo-Politics its absurdly complicated, and a good way to prove the NWO does not exist, at least for the moment. This video does a good job in explaining some basic history, functions of the UN, popular conflicts (ie: Israel vs Palestine, Kosovo vs Serbia, etc.), the issue of "country recognition", and so forth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vsPB_lbo94&list=UUcEPmwpXKrKzZahqjwpIAsQ
[video=youtube;4vsPB_lbo94]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vsPB_lbo94&list=UUcEPmwpXKrKzZahqjwpIAsQ[/video]

So if there is a New World Order, how come Vatican City is not part of the UN? Why can't Taiwan and China reunite? Does Kosovo actually exist as a country? And so many more questions we can ask just from this video. Enjoy!