More about Israel.

[Grandpa]

Matthew 21:33-43

It is not replacement theology. Its replacement facts. The Kingdom of God has been removed from those who practice Judaism and has been given to those who practice Christianity.

The stone which the builders have rejected (Christ) has become head of the corner.

These are the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 3:17-18
2 Corinthians 3:2-17 More "replacement" facts
Galatians 3:1-29

Don't conflate the current nation of Israel with the Israel of God.

 

[brightfame52]

cont Israel shall be saved in the Lord

The children of the flesh , Abraham's seed, these are not the children of God, that is Israel but The children of the promise are counted as the seed, that is Israel..Rom 9:8

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

The children of the promise are counted [reckoned or determined] as the seed, The seed of Israel. Ps 22:23

Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

This seed of Israel is not based upon race, but grace of election, and comprises men and women of all different ethnic groups.

The children of promise are brought into the world and into the fellowship of salvation as Isaac was.

Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

That is, we are children given to someone , by the promise of the word of God..

Isaac was not consulted or did not believe anything to become a child of promise. Neither do true believers in Jesus Christ..we [ believers] become so, because we were children of promise, Gods promise.

lets read a little.. Isaac was not born according to the natural course of life or things, for Abraham and Sarah both were up in age, and said to be past the time of life: perhaps denoting they were past the natural ages of having children. She 89 and He 90..But Isaac was promised to the aged couple in spite of natures obstacle, and hence his birth is accomplished by the word and promise and power of God, and not the strength or determination of the human will. And this is where we get the words or ideal of this:

Jn 1:13

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The children of promise, the Israel of God, are born of God.

Paul writes to the Galatians, Now we brethren, as Isaac was are children of promise. Note: believers in Jesus Christ are so, because they were children of promise. And not because they believed God as one false teacher reiterates constantly. for Isaac was a child of promise before he believed anything. And so are the rest of the children of promise.

The children of promise are the seed, talked about earlier in the same book of Galatians:

reading Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

What promise ? Gal 3:8

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The promise to Abraham was preached to him by God, that in Him , all nations shall be blessed. That is become as faithful Abraham per Gal 3:9

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

becoming believers in Jesus Christ as Abraham was see Jn 8:56

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it [by Faith], and was glad.

so then all future believers in Jesus Christ make manifest that they were blessed with faithful Abraham as their Father in that He was a Father of many nations per Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Notice, a Father of many nations have i made thee, opposed to just being the Father of natural Israel so we know here God is speaking spiritually, and of all those who would believe on Jesus Christ as being the manifested seed of Abraham per Gal 3:26-29


26 For ye are all the children of God [Israel] by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

See, their is no race difference in the Israel of God, the Children of Promise.

God gave Abraham and Jesus Christ [BTW, The promise was first given to Him] faithful children by His promise.

So the Israel that shall be saved in the LORD are the children of promise comprised of individuals from many nations.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Matthew 21:33-43

It is not replacement theology. Its replacement facts. The Kingdom of God has been removed from those who practice Judaism and has been given to those who practice Christianity.

The stone which the builders have rejected (Christ) has become head of the corner.

These are the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 3:17-18
2 Corinthians 3:2-17 More "replacement" facts
Galatians 3:1-29

Don't conflate the current nation of Israel with the Israel of God.

Not according to Romans 11. It is called Replacement Theology and it's not facts, it's heresy.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Jesus kept the law to set an example. To be like Jesus is the meaning of life. Whoever continues to sin was never a Christian (1 John 3:6). Only those who are sinless have attained enlightenment. And enlightenment is the highest rung on the ladder. The purpose is to work on oneself, to constantly improve until one reaches absolute perfection (Matthew 5:48). Whoever does not reach this perfection will not enter the gates of paradise. There is absolutely no doubt about that.

The only one who was perfectly sinless was Jesus. Not one of us is perfect.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Matthew 21:33-43

It is not replacement theology. Its replacement facts. The Kingdom of God has been removed from those who practice Judaism and has been given to those who practice Christianity.

The stone which the builders have rejected (Christ) has become head of the corner.

These are the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 3:17-18
2 Corinthians 3:2-17 More "replacement" facts
Galatians 3:1-29

Don't conflate the current nation of Israel with the Israel of God.

Followers of Christ are simply continuing the tradition of the Israel of God that was birthed out of natural Israel at Pentecost.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You're referring to replacement theology here. The carnal has been replaced by the spiritual.

If you can't see this is true, then you really have no idea what the faith of Christ is

 

[brightfame52]

Israel shall be saved in the LORD

Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

This everlasting salvation is issuing from the blood of the everlasting covenant, the one that was revealed to king David 2 Sam 23:5

Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.


This is a promised, not offered, not made a offer of, but a promised sure salvation for a very specific people [Israel]

Israel is another name for the seed of Abraham.

Those gentiles, who scripture foresaw that God would Justify through Faith per Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

these [gentiles] are the seed of Abraham Gal 3:9

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

And would also be Israel. The Israel that shall be saved in the LORD.

And so, as Paul states in Rom 11, with the grafting in of the elect gentiles, so then all Israel shall be saved per Rom 11:25-26

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

All the seed of Abraham shall be saved.1

 

[brightfame52]

Ps 130:7-8


7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

This is not speaking about Israel of the flesh, but the Israel of God, Gods chosen people.

You see, there is a Israel that is comprised of all the seed of Abraham, the children of promise, which is made up of both elect jews and gentiles.

Rom 9:6-8

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

But this gives us to be reminded that only a chosen people have the right and privilege to hope in the LORD and His redemption.

 

[brightfame52]

Rom 9:6

Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

According to this verse, is Paul recognizing Two distinct Israel's ? If yes, what is the difference of the Two ?

If no, then why did He use those words like that ?

 

[dkontner]

Galatians 3

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Galatians 3
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[dkontner]

Galatians 3

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Galatians 3
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Sorry...

Romans 2
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[brightfame52]

There was a national Israel and a remnant Israel. Rom 9:6

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:27

27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 11:4-7

4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a Remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The promises of old were to Israel the Remnant, who were in National Israel, and God has been faithful to His promises to the Remnant Israel, thats why paul says:

Rom 11:1-2

1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

So the promises has always been not to all of the nation of Israel, but to a remnant within the nation. Which too is Israel, the Israel of God. 2

 

[brightfame52]

Who Is Israel ?

Who Is Israel ?

The True Israel of God is really Jesus Christ..There are scriptures that indicate this i.e Isa 49:1-3

1Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Jesus Christ was the antitype of Jacob or Israel, being the Head and Representative of the whole Israel of God, which is His body, the church.

The prophecy in Hosea indicates that Jesus Christ is Gods Son Israel

Hos 11:1

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Now see how the Holy Spirit applies this too Jesus in Matt 2:15

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

So Israel is all those who are in Union with Gods Son Israel. For they were chosen in Him

Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 2

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

1Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matthew 1:20-21​

And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. Revelation 1:16​

 

[brightfame52]

I am the True Vine Israel

Jn 15:1

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Jesus here is intimating that He is the True Israel. For vine represents Israel in scripture. Now remember how that the Son out of Egypt intimated Jesus as Israel i.e Hos 11:1

1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matt 2:15

15And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Now there is more scripture confirmation that this son called out of egypt, which was christ typified, also is typified by a vine, lets look at Ps 80:8

8 Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it.

This vine out of egypt, is Jesus the True Israel, the True vine of Jn 15: 1

And it serves to reason, all those chosen in Him before the foundation are the true Sons of Israel. 2

 

[brightfame52]

Rom 11:28


28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

The unbelieving Jews were enemies of the gospel and to all who were true believers, both jew and gentile. For Paul himself as an unbelieving jew was a enemy to those who preached and believed the gospel [ 1 Tim 1:13 ; Acts 9], but as for the election of grace within Israel, these are loved for the promises made to fathers sake, the promises that there would be deliverance for ethnic jews is kept by God in the deliverance of the election of grace within the jewish people, as Paul himself was an example of [ Rom 11:1] So this verse here speaks as Rom 9:6 contrasting the two Israel's, which are Unbelieving Israel the enemies of the gospel [ permanently ] and the remnant which is according to the election of grace, who of course start out as enemies by nature as Paul did , but will be delivered or converted to Jesus Christ as Paul was The remnant along with the believing gentiles is how all Israel will be saved, and at the same time God being Faithful to ethnic Jews who are part of the election of grace.

 

[brightfame52]

When the fulness of the gentiles has come in, it will be no longer time for any to be grafted into the olive tree, at that time [ the end] all Israel shall be saved [ Not National Israel] but all Israel, the Israel of God, all them chosen in the True servant Israel, Jesus christ [ isa 49 ], this is clearly stated rom 11:26. Again Jesus is the Israel of whom the promises pertained [ gal 3:16] also see isa 49:1-3 of which it is said, has a sword in His mouth and His Name is Israel. Isa 49:1-2

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me

from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

No doubt this is Jesus Christ, and except one is in Christ, they are not of the Israel of promise, which again is why Paul writes Rom 9:6

There was a national external covenant Israel, through the Law [ Ex 20], and there is the eternal covenant Israel through election in Jesus Christ before the world began, the foreknown Rom 11:1

Now if Jesus Christ is the Israel per Isa 49, Hos 1 ; Matt 2:15; and Ps 80:8, then the church, His body, is the representation of the body of Israel.

When the last elect jew or gentile is brought into fellowship with Jesus Christ their Head, then the end shall come

 

[dkontner]

There is a remnant and the rest were blinded. Both can be found in Isaiah 61. Jesus quoted from this chapter.

The first set, the remnant, are referred to as 'them'.

1 -The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

What about the unbelievers? It switches from 'them' to 'ye'. They still call themselves Jews. They will also be called 'God's people.

6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

In Revelation, Mystery Babylon gets awarded double. In Isaiah 61...

7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

And back to 'them/their'. The seed is Jesus Christ.

8 For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.
10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

God is awesome

 

[brightfame52]

The Fable !

Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

The whole concoction of a future restoration of National Israel is premised on mere speculation and spiritual blindness to the truth; for If God did make such a promise, then the promise would be unconditional, and if so, then how and why did He cut her off as branches from the covenant olive tree because of their unbelief ? For that would be absurd and contradicts the very nature of God in being Faithful to His covenant promises in spite of our unbelief per 2 tim 2:

13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

But yet the false teaching of today's dispensationalist says just that, that Israel [ the nation] has been rejected only temporarily due to unbelief ! 2

 

[brightfame52]

The all Israel that will be saved !

Rom 11:26

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob

The all Israel that will be saved is the all Israel for which the deliverer came out of zion [ which is Christ the messiah first coming] Isa 59:20

20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

The all Israel for whom He went to the cross to redeem per Ps 130:7-8

7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Isa 44:21-23

21Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel,[see Isa 49:3] thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

22I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

23Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel

Lk:68

68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

This is not carnal Israel, but all the Israel of God, chosen not by race but by Grace in the Israel of God, Jesus Christ. The New Covenant with Israel is inclusive of the fullness of the gentiles and when that is completed, then cometh to pass, and so all Israel shall be saved, by the deliverer that came out of zion..

This was fulfilled during Jesus Christ first coming, and during His ministry then, He was the King that cometh unto zion..

Matt 21:1-6

1And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,

2Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an *** tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.

3And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.

4All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,

5Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ***, and a colt the foal of an ***.

6And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,

This turning of Jacob from ungodliness was accomplished by Jesus death on the cross, for it was used of God to turn many ethnic Jews of Israel to God, peter states here Acts 3:25-26

25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. cp with Rom 11:26

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob 2