More about Israel.

[brightfame52]

To us yes...... but to others not so much. There is coming a day when ...Every knee shall bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
but that hasn't happened yet.
As I siad there are shadows of things to come in the new testament. All will be fulfilled when he returns.

To Nathaniel too. Christ is a King of a Kingdom thats not of this world friend. All the save are currently members of it Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They wanted a earthly king that was not his first advent mission. Jesus is Lord of all not just Israel.

They still want an earthly king. Christ will never be an earthly king; he is and will always be a heavenly king who will one day rule on earth over the nations.

 

[God-fearing]

To Nathaniel too. Christ is a King of a Kingdom thats not of this world friend. All the save are currently members of it Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

As I replied he is king to those who believe. There is a day when every knee shall bow.

 

[God-fearing]

They still want an earthly king. Christ will never be an earthly king; he is and will always be a heavenly king who will one day rule on earth over the nations.

Soon to change my friend...when they look on him that was pierced.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Soon to change my friend...when they look on him that was pierced.

They looked upon him that was pierced nearly 2000 years ago, and that didn't change anything for the unbelievers; they still disbelieved. What makes you think it's going to be any different now? Because a prophecy has to be fulfilled? It was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago. Put away an unbelieving heart and believe what scripture says.
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But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look upon him whom they pierced. John 19:33-37​

 

[PotofSoup]

God didn't break the covenant; Israel did. God ended the old covenant by establishing a better covenant that made the old obsolete and useless, thus fulfilling his promises to the fathers and Israel through the prophets. We don't keep things around that are old, worn out and useless. Neither does God. This was written nearly 2000 years ago; the old covenant is long gone.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which is worn out and grown old is ready to disappear. Hebrews 8:10-13​

The elect remnant are the apple of God's eye, as are all of his children. The part that was blinded is not the apple of his eye.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. When you say that God did not break the covenant, I am assuming you are referring specifically to the Mosaic covenant, since Scripture contains several covenants made with the people of Israel. If that is the case, then I agree—God did not break the Mosaic covenant. Israel did. And as the covenant itself states, God eventually carried out the promised disciplinary consequence by removing them from the land for a period of time.

However, God never declared that He would reject Israel as a people. Israel’s chosenness was never rooted in their righteousness, but in God’s faithfulness to the patriarchs—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Deuteronomy 7:7–8; Romans 11:28). This choosing is grounded not in the Mosaic covenant but in the Abrahamic covenant, which is unconditional, eternal, and unbreakable. That covenant is the foundation of Israel’s identity as God’s chosen people.

For that reason, the Mosaic covenant is not what made Israel God’s chosen nation; rather, it provided the structure for how God’s already‑chosen people were to live under His rule. The passage you referenced pertains to the Mosaic covenant, not the Abrahamic one, and its context concerns the sacrificial system being replaced—only one component within the broader covenantal framework.

In any case, the details of Mosaic law are a separate discussion. The central point here is the identity of the people whom God calls the “apple of His eye.” Scripture consistently applies this designation to Israel, and nothing in the biblical narrative suggests that God has changed His mind about them. Blessings.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

However, God never declared that He would reject Israel as a people. Israel’s chosenness was never rooted in their righteousness, but in God’s faithfulness to the patriarchs—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Deuteronomy 7:7–8; Romans 11:28). This choosing is grounded not in the Mosaic covenant but in the Abrahamic covenant, which is unconditional, eternal, and unbreakable. That covenant is the foundation of Israel’s identity as God’s chosen people.

As Paul said in Romans 9-11, not all Israel are chosen. The election, ie, those who believe, is beloved through the promises to the fathers, but the rest were blinded and broken off.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

For that reason, the Mosaic covenant is not what made Israel God’s chosen nation; rather, it provided the structure for how God’s already‑chosen people were to live under His rule. The passage you referenced pertains to the Mosaic covenant, not the Abrahamic one, and its context concerns the sacrificial system being replaced—only one component within the broader covenantal framework.

What made Israelites the people of God was circumcision. Paul said that circumcision is now nothing, so we can reasonably conclude that no one has standing before God through physical circumcision. The only way to be the people of God now is the spiritual circumcision of Christ.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In any case, the details of Mosaic law are a separate discussion. The central point here is the identity of the people whom God calls the “apple of His eye.” Scripture consistently applies this designation to Israel, and nothing in the biblical narrative suggests that God has changed His mind about them. Blessings.

That's only true for the election. The disbelievers in Israel were never the apple of his eye.

 

[PotofSoup]

As Paul said in Romans 9-11, not all Israel are chosen. The election, ie, those who believe, is beloved through the promises to the fathers, but the rest were blinded and broken off.

I like how you can break my words into smaller sections; I am trying to figure out how to do that. In any event, it is interesting that you chose Romans 9 through 11 to attempt to show how they are not chosen, as these chapters actually strongly supports their chosen status. The context of these chapters is Paul's helping believing Jews and Gentiles in Rome to understand who will be part of God's kingdom and who will not. Based on the text we can suppose that Gentiles and maybe some Jews thought that perhaps all Jews would go to be a part of God's kingdom. Paul clears this up by helping them understand the gospel message of faith without works in Jesus.

The election Paul is describing is not about who is the chosen people and who is not, but rather it is about who God choses to be saved or be a citizen of His kingdom (heaven). God choses beforehand who is destined for destruction and who is elected to citizenship. Paul makes it clear to the Gentiles that despite their rejection of the gospel, God did not reject His people Israel (Romans 11:1, 28-29).

Here is the thing, Jews can still be chosen and not be saved, these two things are separate entities.

 

[HeIsHere]

I like how you can break my words into smaller sections;

One way is to highlight the text, hover over the highlighted text and the reply function will appear click on it and what you have highlighted will go in the text box.

I am trying to figure out how to do that.

You can do this to break the passage down to respond to specific sections.

 

[PotofSoup]

What made Israelites the people of God was circumcision. Paul said that circumcision is now nothing, so we can reasonably conclude that no one has standing before God through physical circumcision. The only way to be the people of God now is the spiritual circumcision of Christ.

Context: In Exodus 4:24–26, God was prepared to judge Moses because he had not circumcised his son. This demonstrates the seriousness with which God regards His covenant. Circumcision was given as a sign of God’s covenant specifically with the people of Israel. For this reason, the Jerusalem Council determined that Gentiles were not required to be circumcised in order to share in God’s promises of salvation (Acts 15:1–35). Paul participated in this council and later communicated this decision to the Gentile believers through his letters. So, when Paul said circumcision is nothing, he meant that it did not mean anything to be saved or be part of God's kingdom. This is true for Jews and Gentiles in the context of salvation, not being chosen by people for a role or task.

 

[God-fearing]

They looked upon him that was pierced nearly 2000 years ago, and that didn't change anything for the unbelievers; they still disbelieved. What makes you think it's going to be any different now? Because a prophecy has to be fulfilled? It was fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago. Put away an unbelieving heart and believe what scripture says.
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But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look upon him whom they pierced. John 19:33-37​

Yeah but this time they lament

 

[PotofSoup]

One way is to highlight the text, hover over the highlighted text and the reply function will appear click on it and what you have highlighted will go in the text box.

Thank you so much for you help in this.

 

[brightfame52]

That Jesus Christ is a Saviour unto Israel is the scriptural and biblical Gospel.

Paul preached it Acts 13:23

Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

That is, He is a Saviour unto the elect, for what is Israel but another name for Gods Chosen or elect.

Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

God hath raised up Jesus to be a Saviour to His Chosen ! 3

 

[brightfame52]

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Deuteronomy 7:7–8; Romans 11:28). This choosing is grounded not in the Mosaic covenant but in the Abrahamic covenant, which is unconditional, eternal, and unbreakable. That covenant is the foundation of Israel’s identity as God’s chosen people.

Thats the New Covenant, the Church, all who belong to Christ Spiritually Gal 3:28-29

2There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yeah but this time they lament

The many disciples did lament over his death, just as they rejoiced at his entrance into Jerusalem as king 4 days earlier. They were the chosen remnant of Israel that inherited the promises, as were those who heard and believed their words afterwards.

The verse in Revelation pertains to the whole world, not just Jerusalem as the Zexhariah prophecy foretold, and was fullfilled. When he returns every eye in the world will see him, and all will lament over him, not because they see him as a lost son, but because they know he has come to judge them.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

it is interesting that you chose Romans 9 through 11 to attempt to show how they are not chosen, as these chapters actually strongly supports their chosen status.

The entirety of Romans 9-11 declares that only a remnant is chosen. I have asked several times for people to take the Romans 9-11 Challenge and show me one verse in those chapters, besides verse 11:26, that says anything other than a remnant of Israel is God's elect/chosen. So far no takers.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul makes it clear to the Gentiles that despite their rejection of the gospel, God did not reject His people Israel (Romans 11:1, 28-29).

Paul makes clear that God did not reject Israel entirely, and uses himself as a proof example (verse 11:1, 29).

God did not cast away his people whom he foreknew, ie., the believing remnant, that was beloved through the promises made to their fathers. The unbelieving part of Israel was never foreknown by God, and therefore became the enemies of God who were blinded and rejected (verse 11:28).

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Here is the thing, Jews can still be chosen and not be saved, these two things are separate entities.

If you don't see that the unbelieving part of Israel is not the elect of God then you miss Paul's whole point in Romans 9-11