So no lost sheep? He never needs to leave the sheep and seek a lost one?
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You simply can't be this dense.
Everyone is lost before they are found. Everyone who has ever been saved has had Jesus seek them out. Their faith came by hearing, and hearing by the words of Christ.
Hence, my sheep hear my voice and follow me.
The Lord Jesus is RIGHT HERE seeking you.
Reformed/calvie theory is this dense......
So, The Lord Jesus never has to seek after a lost sheep?
I might not be one of those who can have Grace and peace..........But if you want to take the chance of wishing it......Good luck. The reels may be on your side.
The fundamental question is does Israel now exist according to God's will or not? Do the promises of God to Abraham with respect to his descendants still apply or not? God dealt with Israel entirely differently from any other nation on earth. That does not mean that He loves others differently.
God has chosen Israel to demonstrate His power and ability to keep His promises. Israel has a population of around 8 million Jews. No other nation attracts so much hostility. The hatred is not based on anything other than ethnicity. No other nation is lied about more. No other nation has been condemned so unfairly and so often. North Korea suppresses its people, murders dissenters and that includes Christians. Iran also persecutes Christians, Jews and other minorities.
If settlers defend themselves against Arab attacks, it's settler violence. Anthony Blinken landed in Israel the day after October 7th to tell Israel to go easy on Gaza. Israel has been going easy on its enemies for decades. All that has done has emboldened its enemies.
Israel gave up land for peace. They left Gaza and forced settlers to leave. A lot of good that did. Likewise the "peace" deal that gave control of parts of the West Bank to Arabs. Bethlehem is part of that deal. Christians are being forced out of Bethlehem by Muslim bullies.
The reason is simple. The world hates God. Therefore it hates Jews. It hates Israel. There are just 15 million Jews world wide. 8 million Jews are staring down 400 million Muslims. In the natural, Israel should have been overrun many times. God ensures otherwise.
I have pointed out in the previous post that there are Two different covenant promises to Abraham and the Land. One Promise was without Abraham being a partaker of but only His seed, and the Other Promise Abraham was to be a Partaker of with His seed.
One Covenant Promise that did not include Abraham, but it did include His physical seed Israel was fulfilled in that God gave them the Land that He promised, but God never did stipulate in the promise, how long they would retain the Land. In fact He made certain stipulations and conditions [Deut 8:18-20;30:18] But that He did fulfill that promise is seen here in scripture :
Joshua 21:43-45
43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
Neh 9:7-8
7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:
So we see here, that God's word testifies to God's Faithfulness in giving Abraham's Physical seed the Land that He promised But we also see that there was no guarantee of continuity 4
One Covenant Promise that did not include Abraham, but it did include His physical seed Israel was fulfilled in that God gave them the Land that He promised, but God never did stipulate in the promise, how long they would retain the Land. In fact He made certain stipulations and conditions [Deut 8:18-20;30:18] But that He did fulfill that promise is seen here in scripture :
Joshua 21:43-45
43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
Neh 9:7-8
7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:
So we see here, that God's word testifies to God's Faithfulness in giving Abraham's Physical seed the Land that He promised But we also see that there was no guarantee of continuity 4
Abraham s seed, please note that's singular, not seeds.
Who is the seed, the true seed? Only Jesus, whoever born again from Jesus is children of God, Jesus blood is flowing in our veins.
No human ethnic group can claim to be children of God, unless receiving Jesus as Lord and savior, accepting Jesus cleansing blood.
So for modern days, no ethnic group can use Bible OT to say they want certain land because they are Abraham s blood children. If so, Arabs, jews, edonites..... all can claim that.
Who is the seed, the true seed? Only Jesus, whoever born again from Jesus is children of God, Jesus blood is flowing in our veins.
No human ethnic group can claim to be children of God, unless receiving Jesus as Lord and savior, accepting Jesus cleansing blood.
So for modern days, no ethnic group can use Bible OT to say they want certain land because they are Abraham s blood children. If so, Arabs, jews, edonites..... all can claim that.
Now the promise to Abraham as it regarded his physical seed national Israel entering into the land of promise , God hath fulfilled as per Josh 21:43 points out. Abraham was not personally promised this land.
But, the Land promise that Abraham was personally promised to receive along with His Spiritual seed, this land promise would not be fulfilled for Abraham and His seed until the resurrection morning. In this promise all the Patriarchs died in Faith not receiving the promise Heb 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
We know that they perceived these promises of Land to be spiritual and heavenly because they seen them by Faith, not the Faith of the natural man, but of the Spiritual kind. This faith caused them to confess that they were pilgrims and strangers on the earth, so the land obviously was not of this earth they sought after and desired as a result of the promise.
Now here are some Facts about the two covenant promises to keep in mind !
To Abrahams Physical seed the land promise was fulfilled, to Abraham personally and His spiritual seed, it will be fulfilled .
To Abraham's physical seed, there was no guarantee of continuity, but to Abraham and His Spiritual seed, it will be a eternal possession !
To Abraham' physical seed, their possession of the Land was conditioned by continued obedience to the national covenant or they would lose their inheritance as per Deut 8:18-20
18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.
20 As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.
But to Abraham and His Spiritual seed the land promise is unconditional and eternal..
The one promise was for national Israel, Abraham's Physical natural seed, but the other promise included Abraham and all who believed on Christ Gal 3:7,29
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The promises that God made to Abraham concerning national Israel, have been completely fulfilled as per Joshua 21:41-45; Neh 9:7-8, so God owes them no more from any promise that He gave to Abraham.
The promises that God gave to Abraham regarding both He and His seed, which includes all who believe in Christ per Gal 3:7, 29 have not yet been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled in the New Earth. The city the patriarchs were looking for was one whose builder and maker is God as per Heb 11:10
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
That means He look for an inheritance in the New Jerusalem, not a earthly Jerusalem, which was made by men. 4
But, the Land promise that Abraham was personally promised to receive along with His Spiritual seed, this land promise would not be fulfilled for Abraham and His seed until the resurrection morning. In this promise all the Patriarchs died in Faith not receiving the promise Heb 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
We know that they perceived these promises of Land to be spiritual and heavenly because they seen them by Faith, not the Faith of the natural man, but of the Spiritual kind. This faith caused them to confess that they were pilgrims and strangers on the earth, so the land obviously was not of this earth they sought after and desired as a result of the promise.
Now here are some Facts about the two covenant promises to keep in mind !
To Abrahams Physical seed the land promise was fulfilled, to Abraham personally and His spiritual seed, it will be fulfilled .
To Abraham's physical seed, there was no guarantee of continuity, but to Abraham and His Spiritual seed, it will be a eternal possession !
To Abraham' physical seed, their possession of the Land was conditioned by continued obedience to the national covenant or they would lose their inheritance as per Deut 8:18-20
18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.
20 As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.
But to Abraham and His Spiritual seed the land promise is unconditional and eternal..
The one promise was for national Israel, Abraham's Physical natural seed, but the other promise included Abraham and all who believed on Christ Gal 3:7,29
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The promises that God made to Abraham concerning national Israel, have been completely fulfilled as per Joshua 21:41-45; Neh 9:7-8, so God owes them no more from any promise that He gave to Abraham.
The promises that God gave to Abraham regarding both He and His seed, which includes all who believe in Christ per Gal 3:7, 29 have not yet been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled in the New Earth. The city the patriarchs were looking for was one whose builder and maker is God as per Heb 11:10
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
That means He look for an inheritance in the New Jerusalem, not a earthly Jerusalem, which was made by men. 4
It actually was. God promised the land to Abraham and defined its borders
And he said to him, I am the God leading you from out of the place of the Chaldeans, so as to give to you this land to inherit. Genesis 15:7
In that day the LORD ordained a covenant with Abram, saying, To your seed I will give this land, from the river of Egypt unto the river of the great Euphrates, Genesis 15:18
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
When the Lord returns, Abraham shall have his land as promised.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
When the Lord returns, Abraham shall have his land as promised.
The seed of Abraham is Jesus, not unbelieving people, whose father is not Abraham, but their father is the enemy. Jesus said to them, the synagogue of Satan, your father is the Satan.
Only Jesus, the way. Not one of the way. There is no other way.
Wake up!
Only Jesus, the way. Not one of the way. There is no other way.
Wake up!
False Both are True. However the seed of Abraham that belongs to Christ shall become believers Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
However the heirs start off as unbelievers. Isaac was an heir, but he wasn't born automatically a believer. So you didnt think through your comment.
Lol Yeah he will watch God burn it up with fire and renew it lol 2 Pet 3 10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
We are talking about the covenant seed. The promise is made to the covenant seed.
Not physical seeds, not ethnic blood.
The covenant blood is only with Jesus blood.
Yeah
Correct
Yeah but it was shed for many, His Seed Matt 26/28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Jesus and His Seed are One
Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
False. Jesus did not call all Jews or all Israel the synagogue of Satan or children of the devil.
That was said only to certain, not all, Pharisees who opposed Jesus.
The apostle Paul was a Jewish Pharisee.
There is only ONE kind of Jew that matters.
Romans 2
King James Version
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 2
King James Version
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It was said to the unbelieving pharisees and those who followed them, which was most of the population