my time line charts

GRACE_ambassador · Jan 25, 2024

Precious friend, I must say you certainly seem to be a prophecy 'expert';
Scriptures are well presented, and the great graphics are quite impressive.
Now, I'm not much of an 'expert' on prophecy, but do have a couple of
questions:

1) Was the following one year calculated into your timeline?:

"He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree

planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit

thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser

of his vineyard, Behold, these three years..."

[ picturing Christ's earthly ministry to the 'lost sheep' of Israel? ]

"...I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down;

why cumbereth it the ground?

And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year"

also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit,

well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down."

(Luke 13:6-9)

[ picturing Pentecost until "Israel blasphemed The Holy Ghost/fell"

Acts 7; Romans 11:11, 25, 32? ]

Is this "one more year":

a) calculated at the 'end' of the 69th week? = 7 years of the 70th week left?

b) calculated at the 'beginning' of the 70th week? = 6 years of the 70th left?

c) perchance does not apply at all to a timeline?

2) I am more of a Mystery 'student' so:

douggg said:

Sad to hear the change about our pre-trib [ @selahsays disagrees,
but we love her anyway ] Great GRACE Departure

The only question here would be, do you believe The Body Of Christ
ever "returns to the earth" or, Has An Eternal Position of "ruling and
reigning" In The Heavenlies? [ Scriptures in the above 'link' ]

Thanks for all your great work - God Bless!

Amen.

PS. Not much on ( impatient? ) "setting dates" as the Many who have
done so have a horribly Outstanding 100% Failure Rate. Thus, I stay with
Paul's { from God } Imminent Grace Scriptures about "looking, patiently
waiting, and watching For our Blessed Hope!
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;
1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3;
1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13 AV)

Grace and Peace.

douggg · Jan 25, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

No, not part of my timeline calculations.

I think you may be building a case that the three and years (first half) of the 70th week in Daniel 9:27 - is the time of Jesus's ministry until the stoning of Stephen in Acts 7. With Jesus's death on the cross causing the daily sacrifice to cease.

That is a popular view by some, but I don't think it is correct.

The 69 weeks are unto messiah. And after the 69 weeks the messiah is cutoff, Daniel 9:25-26. Leading those who hold the above view to argue that the messiah's death must, therefore, be in the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

However, the unto messiah is in John 12:12-15, Jesus hailed as the messiah, the King of Israel.... then four days later, he was crucified.

So 69 week unto messiah and after 69 weeks the messiah cutoff, 4 days apart, So essentially, at the same time. Leaving the 70th week still unfulfilled - to be fulfilled when the prince who shall come confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years (the cycle that Moses required of all future leaders of Israel in Deuteronomy 31:9-13).

The Mt Sinai covenant established the daily sacrifice. The prince who shall come will stop the daily sacrifice in the midst (middle part, not the exact middle day) of the 70th week.

douggg · Jan 25, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Yes, I believe the raptured/resurrected event saints will return with Jesus at His Second Coming to rule and reign with Him on this present earth for the 1000 year millennium period.

Such that, while the earth will be experiencing the great tribulation.... the ratpured/resurrected saints will at the same time be in heaven having their life's examined at the bema seat of Christ, and be rewarded for the things they did for the cause of Christ.

10-22-27 · Jan 26, 2024

douggg said:

The seals themselves are not judgments, but are like locks on the book that Jesus opened.

The first six seals in chapter 6 when opened show an overview of what will take place over the course of the 7 years. So on my chart, at the base are the 6 seals, and what they indicate.

seal 1
seal 2
seal 3
seal 4
seal 5
seal 6

The seventh seal is not opened until chapter 8. When opened, it shows the trumpet judgements that will take place once the great tribulation begins.

So on my chart, I dedicated a separate area (the light brown shaded area) for the great tribulation. And above it, a light blue shaded area for seal 7 and the trumpet judgements.

seal 7 opened
(chapter 8)
trumpet 1
trumpet 2
trumpet 3
trumpet 4

(chapter 9)
trumpet 5, first woe
trumpet 6, second woe

(chapter 11)
trumpet 7, in the days of, the third woe - the time, the times, half time that Satan will have left. The time, times, half times, time span gives the time bracket when the first and second woes will take place.

Simply put, Satan will be cast down to earth - and the time, times, half time begins. The first thing Satan does is open the bottomless pit and the locust creatures come out. They torment men for five months.

Near the end of the time, times half time - the armies of the east, i.e. the Chinese and their allies, march west toward Israel. Along the way, they kill a third of man kind, which looks to be population density of India and Pakistan.

The time, times, half time ends the day that Jesus Returns.

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You wrote, "Antichrist anointed the king of Israel." Where did you get that from?

douggg · Jan 26, 2024

10-22-27 said:

"Anti" is a prefix which can mean "against" or also "instead of " or both. In the case of the Antichrist - both.

"Against" and "instead of" Christ Jesus. Jesus is the rightful king of Israel, descended from king David.

"christ" is a greek derivative of the jewish word for messiah - meaning "anointed". In Jewish background, the kings and priests were considered "anointeds".

"the" messiah, in Jewish framework of the term, refers to the one special anointed King of Israel to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of "peace and safety".

The Jews (Judaism) are looking for their messiah, to be anointed the King of Israel by what they say must be by a known prophet - such as Saul and David were anointed by the prophet Samuel, and Solomon anointed by the prophet Nathan.

The Jews (Judaism) are also looking for Elijah the prophet to be a part of ushering in the messianic age. The false prophet will appear to the Jews as the embodiment of Elijah - and he will anoint the prince who shall come as the King of Israel.

At that point, the person becomes the Antichrist....who comes in his own name, not someone sent by God to be their king.

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Some verses associating Jesus as being the rightful King of Israel. And Christ as being associated will being the King of Israel.

John 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 15:
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Matthew 27:
42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

Matthew 27:
37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

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So once a person gets accustomed to the understanding that the person to be the Antichrist, he must be anointed the King of Israel - then a person could start investigating what the Jews are looking for regarding that person, to understand why the Jews are going to embrace the person thinking he is their long awaited messiah.

I personally have over 10,000 posts at the Jewish (Judaism) Messiah Truth site. Discussing with them what their beliefs are. Since 2004.

Also information can be gained from the Judaism101 site, about the mashiach (their term for the messiah).

Two prominent features that the Jews are looking for in the messiah is that (1) is a great politician (2) has military ability.

My personal speculation is that maybe, maybe not, that Zelensky of Ukraine is that person. Bears watching. And maybe the Yanuka (search You Tube) as the false prophet

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Numbers 10:5-7 when the children of Israel are in the wilderness and prepare to move their camp...

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Omegatime · Jan 31, 2024

Somewhat closer. First the Lord coming. Only one more time for the saints.

Hebrews 9:28 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

The return of Christ at end of the Tribulation is to determine who enters the Kingdom with flesh and blood, not resurrected bodies.