Mystery Babylon Revealed To The World Part 1

[jonl]

And what does the above have to do with Jerusalem/Israel not being Mystery Babylon? I just proved to you by Scripture that Mystery Babylon is destroyed during that last 3 1/2 years and will never be inhabitable again. Yet Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited during the millennium period.

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Jerusalem = Shown to be inhabited during and at the end of the millennial period (Rev.20:7-9)

Conclusion = That Mystery Babylon is destroyed and never to be inhabited again cannot be the city of Jerusalem which is shown to be in habited at the end of the millennium.

hi Ahwatukee,

What you’ve posted is basically the modern understanding of Revelation 17-22. The conclusion is mainly based on “Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited during the millennium period.”

Just a conjecture, but is it possible that after the destruction and desolation in that middle east area just before Christ returns, that the old Jerusalem area might not be very habitable, let alone be the holy city of worship for the whole world? Also, would the Jewish feasts be re-instated and the temple rebuilt for OT type congregations?

One of my conjectures is that shortly after Christ returns, the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 also comes down, but not necessarily on land, but as a satellite or moon in orbit. This links to a very complicated article of how the New Jerusalem might orbit the earth (the theories in the second half are extremely complicated and not necessarily accurate, but it has been studied by physicists such as Joseph Farrell) --

http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/the-new-jerusalem-diagram/

IMO, the final destination of true believers is eternal heaven. The New Jerusalem comes from heaven to earth, but is not heaven itself. Those who live at that time will not have glorified bodies but bodies of flesh and blood (no pretrib rapture). After the final millenium, true believers will be transformed to heavenly beings and go to eternal heaven.

 

[Ahwatukee]

What you’ve posted is basically the modern understanding of Revelation 17-22. The conclusion is mainly based on “Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited during the millennium period.”

Jonl,

First of all, a "modern understanding of Revelation 17-22 would infer that I learned it from someone, which could not be further from the truth. I have been studying Scripture for over 40 years now, including the book of Revelation and the related books and Scriptures related to end time events. Therefore, these are my own studies. You seem to be one who is more concerned with protecting your position than finding out the truth.

You have claimed that Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon and I have shown you from Scripture that Mystery Babylon is destroyed sometime during the last 3 1/2 years leading up to Christ's return and the result of that destruction is that no one will ever inhabit that city ever again. The fact that the city that God loves, Jerusalem, is shown by Scripture to be inhabited during millennium should end the issue. Clearly Jerusalem is not Mystery Babylon and that because it is inhabited during the millennial period and Mystery Babylon remains destroyed and uninhabitable during the millennium. It only requires a simple deduction.

The other issue regarding Jerusalem not being Mystery Babylon is the Scriptural fact that Jesus must rule from Jerusalem from the throne of king David. This is not debatable, for all Scripture must be fulfilled. Furthermore, Ezekiel chapters 40-48 which is a detailed account of the new temple, makes mention of Israel being inhabited as well.

Mystery Babylon = destroyed and never inhabited ever again

Jerusalem = Inhabited during the Millennium

Conclusion: Jerusalem is not Mystery Babylon

Just a conjecture, but is it possible that after the destruction and desolation in that middle east area just before Christ returns, that the old Jerusalem area might not be very habitable, let alone be the holy city of worship for the whole world?

Regarding old Jerusalem not being very habitable, you are most likely correct. After the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments the entire earth is going to be a chaotic mess. The oceans and the fresh water will be turned into literal blood killing every living creature in the sea, the greatest earthquake to ever take place since man has been on the earth takes place causing the islands and mountains to disappear and the cities of the nations to collapse, a third of the earth and trees are going to be burnt up, the majority of the earth's population is going to be decimated and all human government will be dismantled. Therefore, your reference to the current city of Jerusalem is correct and will no doubt be uninhabitable, but then neither will anything else on the earth. Due to the status of the earth after God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, Jesus will most likely refurbish the earth for his millennial reign, which I'm pretty sure he could do just by speaking in an instant.

One of my conjectures is that shortly after Christ returns, the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 also comes down, but not necessarily on land, but as a satellite or moon in orbit.

The chronological order of events according to Scripture is the great tribulation, followed by Christ's return to the earth to end the age, the millennial period takes place, the great white throne judgment, New Heaven, New earth, New Jerusalem. It is not until this current heaven and earth depart and the new heaven and new earth are created that the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven. Chapters 21 & 22 are characteristics of the eternal state which is when the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem come into being.

the theories in the second half are extremely complicated and not necessarily accurate

What you have stated above is impossible! For regarding the prophecies in the book of Revelation God said the following:

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll." (Rev.22:18-19)

Therefore, for God to state the above, the book of Revelation would have to be the perfect, complete word of God. To say that it is not necessarily accurate would be to call into question God's power and sovereignty.

 

[jonl]

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll." (Rev.22:18-19)

Some of what you’ve posted might be conjectural, to which Rev. 22:18-19 could apply. Dismissing the link about a possible “squaring the circle” configuration of the New Jerusalem using Rev. 22:18-19 doesn’t address the configuration. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a satellite (cube or pyramid) in orbit, but it would be too large to fit into all of Israel, let alone Jerusalem. 12,000 furlongs is about 1,500 miles. This is how large it might look as a cube (at 1,400 miles squared) --

 

[Ahwatukee]

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll." (Rev.22:18-19)

Some of what you’ve posted might be conjectural, to which Rev. 22:18-19 could apply. Dismissing the link about a possible “squaring the circle” configuration of the New Jerusalem using Rev. 22:18-19 doesn’t address the configuration. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a satellite (cube or pyramid) in orbit, but it would be too large to fit into all of Israel, let alone Jerusalem. 12,000 furlongs is about 1,500 miles. This is how large it might look as a cube (at 1,400 miles squared) --

The New Jerusalem will not be related to this present heaven and earth, but Scripture states that the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven after this present heaven and earth have departed and will be apart of the new heaven and new earth, which is the eternal state after God makes all things new and everyone is in their glorified bodies.

 

[jonl]

The New Jerusalem will not be related to this present heaven and earth, but Scripture states that the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven after this present heaven and earth have departed and will be apart of the new heaven and new earth, which is the eternal state after God makes all things new and everyone is in their glorified bodies.

IMO, the final destination of true believers is eternal heaven. The new earth, new heaven and New Jerusalem come down from heaven. This passage indicates that the New Jerusalem is not the final temple of heaven: (Revelation 21:12-14)

[SUP] 12[/SUP]And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
[SUP]13[/SUP]On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
[SUP]14[/SUP]And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Why would the “names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb” be so prominent in eternal heaven? or the twelve tribes of Israel? The 12 apostles were mainly fishermen saved by the grace of God. Israel and non-Israel nations all can be saved by the grace of God depending on whether they accept or reject Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. The names of the twelve apostles and the twelve tribes of Israel seem to indicate that the New Jerusalem is an interim place for the “bride” (true believers) until the marriage supper in eternal heaven.

 

[Ahwatukee]

IMO, the final destination of true believers is eternal heaven. The new earth, new heaven and New Jerusalem come down from heaven. This passage indicates that the New Jerusalem is not the final temple of heaven: (Revelation 21:12-14) Why would the “names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb” be so prominent in eternal heaven? or the twelve tribes of Israel? The 12 apostles were mainly fishermen saved by the grace of God. Israel and non-Israel nations all can be saved by the grace of God depending on whether they accept or reject Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. The names of the twelve apostles and the twelve tribes of Israel seem to indicate that the New Jerusalem is an interim place for the “bride” (true believers) until the marriage supper in eternal heaven.

The twelve tribes of Israel represent those saved of the nation Israel and the twelve apostles represent the those saved of the church. In eternity all believers will be in their glorified bodies and we will have access to both the new Jerusalem and the new earth. The marriage of the Lamb takes place after the resurrection and catching away takes place in heaven. After that there will be a millennial period of Christ's reign on this current earth, then the great white throne judgment will take place, then the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem. This is the chronological order according to Revelation and related Scriptures.

 

[jonl]

The twelve tribes of Israel represent those saved of the nation Israel and the twelve apostles represent the those saved of the church. In eternity all believers will be in their glorified bodies and we will have access to both the new Jerusalem and the new earth. The marriage of the Lamb takes place after the resurrection and catching away takes place in heaven. After that there will be a millennial period of Christ's reign on this current earth, then the great white throne judgment will take place, then the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem. This is the chronological order according to Revelation and related Scriptures.

“The twelve apostles represent those saved of the church.” For an interim place, the prominence of the names of the twelve apostles (whatever they represent) might be fitting, but not for all eternity. It’s almost like the mother of James and John wanting her two sons to be at the right and left hands of Jesus in heaven.

“The marriage of the Lamb takes place after the resurrection and catching away takes place in heaven. After that there will be a millennial period of Christ’s reign on this current earth.” The catching away to heaven (before the millenial reign on this current earth) for the marriage supper (if that was true) would probably involve having “glorified bodies” – otherwise how would they look among the angels in heaven? Then if they come back to earth in “glorified bodies” everyone else on earth would be flesh and blood.

Job said, (Job 19:25 26)

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
[SUP]26[/SUP]And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: