Nelson Mandela

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I don;t know if Mandela was a Christian, but he did so much to move South Africa to a better place. I am sure there were so many times when he was close to death. I think God probably kept him alive during those dark days so he could have such a positive impact on the world later in life. He had such incredible perseverance and he didn;t seem to harbor an ounce of bitterness and desire to inflict vengeance. What do you think? :confused:
 
The man went through quite a bit but we must be careful not to elevate him too much. His politics were very bad and he apparently didn't learn from the millions who were slaughtered and imprisoned from Communism, as he was a staunch supporter.

Also, although mostly not his fault, the atrocities in the past 15-20 yrs against white South Africans has been awful and severely under-reported.

[video]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/breaking-nelson-mandela-dead-at-95/[/video]
 
He was a difficult man to judge like so many world leaders. Given what he was up against, I can see why socialism looked so inviting.
 
I'm no expert on Mandela;
all I can do is offer what I've heard.

The last time I was in South Africa, the black Christians I met told me Mandela spent all those past years in jail because he was, indeed, a murderer. That's what I was told. I don't really know anything about it.

I'm no expert on South Africa, but it's probably best to get news from multiple sources before we start forming opinions about things in another country.
 
[h=3]Psalm 41[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the Lord will deliver him in time of trouble.


It does not say christian but any man
 
maxwel said:
I'm no expert on Mandela;
all I can do is offer what I've heard.

The last time I was in South Africa, the black Christians I met told me Mandela spent all those past years in jail because he was, indeed, a murderer. That's what I was told. I don't really know anything about it.

I'm no expert on South Africa, but it's probably best to get news from multiple sources before we start forming opinions about things in another country.
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Paul was a murderer
 
Isdaniel said:
Paul was a murderer
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1. I didn't say Mandela was or was not... I only stated what other Christians have told me, because here in the West, we often get very one-sided information.

2. You threw out the statement, "Paul was a murder," as if to say, "Who cares? Murder is no big deal."
And I would have to disagree.

3. If murder is no big deal, then we should just let all murderers everywhere out of prison, and let them all roam the streets, and never question their motives.

4. God tells us, in the holy scripture, that Paul was genuinely, completely repentant, in every way. We are told in scripture, by God, that Paul walked with God, and served Him, and risked his life over and over to serve God, and to serve God's people. We are told, in scripture, by God, that Paul was completely transformed.

Any other murderer, who is NOT given character references directly by GOD, IN HOLY SCRIPTURE, has a bit more to prove than Paul did.

I don't know if Mandela did, or did not, commit the crimes he was accused of.
No idea.
But I do know this... he isn't Paul.
 
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To all of the people of Africa and the Mandela family, I have only heard great things about Mr. Mandela. May he rest in peace.
 
The whole Mandela thing is soooo gloryfied and propagandized in america... We have made movies about him, and all the media keeps showing is this people's fighter that rose from the slums and became the most powerful man in the country during cultural racism.... They project him to be a Martin Luther... But in my personal opinion... He is just the same of what south africa was ostracized for...

Now I know the white culture didn't do that much to help their case, by coming from a former land with education and turning the cape of Africa into a white's hot spot for get rich quick schemes... Pushing the uneducated indigenous people to lower living by societies standards.... But to see a unspoken genocide about working blue collar class boers and farmers (slang for some whites) and to see their president sing Kill the Boer with the national army dancing.... And to have quotes from mandela's group that after his death... They will kill the farmer... I think we should hesitate to glorify this man...

We look at this like they had a Martin Luther King Jr. in their country... But I think they had a Malcolm X...

Here is some good evidence on my last point... Welcome to their current leader of South Africa... (Mandela also sang songs publicly of the same agenda...)

[video=youtube;6fzRSE_p1Ys]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys[/video]
 
Did you see the movie about Winnie Mandela? I saw it 3 days ago. Very interesting. It actually made me think of him in a different light, however, I realize that when you watch anything that the world puts out it may be lacking in much truth.
 
maxwel said:
I'm no expert on Mandela;
all I can do is offer what I've heard.

The last time I was in South Africa, the black Christians I met told me Mandela spent all those past years in jail because he was, indeed, a murderer. That's what I was told. I don't really know anything about it.

I'm no expert on South Africa, but it's probably best to get news from multiple sources before we start forming opinions about things in another country.
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Africa was being run by brutal white supremacists. Nelson Mandela was the leader of a social activist group using nonviolent means to overthrow the brutal white supremacist government, to create anew government, where no violence would be tolerated, and no racism, including no racism against white people, would be tolerated. The white supremacist government ordered their soldiers to rape and murder, thousands of white men, women, and children, and then the white supremacist government orderd the media to report that Nelson Mandela's social activist group had committed the crimes. They didn't have freedom of the press then. The many of the soldiers and media weren't comfortable with these orders, and fully documented that white supremacists' white soldiers were the ones committing the atrocities. Nelson Mandela and other social activists were put in prison after a brief kangaroo court. The United Nations saw the evidence that the White Supremacist government had ordered the crimes and white soldiers had committed them, and a full , fair trial was conducted, and the right people were convicted, but the United Nations were reluctant to overthrow the White Supremacist government in a military coup, and instead only told them to behave and let the social activists go. The White Supremacist government, faced with overwhelming evidence of their guilt, admitted that they themselves had ordered the crimes be committed by white soldiers and that the media had been ordered to report that Nelson Mandela and his social activists had ordered it, but were not at all ashamed, and said that it was still Nelson Mandela's fault for forcing them to do it by trying to end White Supremacy, and that they did a good thing because white men, women and children who were raped and murdered, were better off raped and murdered than they would have been, suffering the indignity of living the good life they had always enjoyed, alongside blacks living the same good life. and although they let some social activists go to appease the United Nations, thy didn't let Nelson Mandela go. It took the United Nations over 30 years to get around to threatening economic sanctions if they didn't let Nelson Mandela go, because the United Nations are weak and ineffectual at best.
 
We have quite a few South African expats in our church. They were shocked to come to Canada and find out you didn't have to live in a locked compound, that church members would not steal everything you owned, and that as professionals with degrees they could find jobs in their field. South Africa is extremely dangerous for whites, they all said. That is why they left the country.

I don't know anything about Mandela, but it seems to me like the country went from one extreme to another. A country should be safe and free for everyone.
 
Remember of the picture of him in front of the Communist flag. Remember Angola. Remember Mozambique.

Murdered Zulu demonstrators. Increased abortions. Poverty. Increased terrorist activity.

His legacy is an image. An illusion.
 

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Africa was being run by brutal white supremacists. Nelson Mandela was the leader of a social activist group using nonviolent means to overthrow the brutal white supremacist government, to create anew government, where no violence would be tolerated, and no racism, including no racism against white people, would be tolerated. The white supremacist government ordered their soldiers to rape and murder, thousands of white men, women, and children, and then the white supremacist government orderd the media to report that Nelson Mandela's social activist group had committed the crimes. They didn't have freedom of the press then. The many of the soldiers and media weren't comfortable with these orders, and fully documented that white supremacists' white soldiers were the ones committing the atrocities. Nelson Mandela and other social activists were put in prison after a brief kangaroo court. The United Nations saw the evidence that the White Supremacist government had ordered the crimes and white soldiers had committed them, and a full , fair trial was conducted, and the right people were convicted, but the United Nations were reluctant to overthrow the White Supremacist government in a military coup, and instead only told them to behave and let the social activists go. The White Supremacist government, faced with overwhelming evidence of their guilt, admitted that they themselves had ordered the crimes be committed by white soldiers and that the media had been ordered to report that Nelson Mandela and his social activists had ordered it, but were not at all ashamed, and said that it was still Nelson Mandela's fault for forcing them to do it by trying to end White Supremacy, and that they did a good thing because white men, women and children who were raped and murdered, were better off raped and murdered than they would have been, suffering the indignity of living the good life they had always enjoyed, alongside blacks living the same good life. and although they let some social activists go to appease the United Nations, thy didn't let Nelson Mandela go. It took the United Nations over 30 years to get around to threatening economic sanctions if they didn't let Nelson Mandela go, because the United Nations are weak and ineffectual at best.
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As a white South African actually living in South Africa I'd like to suggest that you come and live in this country for a couple of months. Firstly I don't agree with what happened during the Apartheid, racism is never good, but this country is even worse now than how it was during the Apartheid. We have one of the highest crime rates in the world, our current President (The leader of the ANC) was charged for fraud AND rape, and there is still "apartheid" but in reverse.

I'm in no way a racist, but I'm not going to sugarcoat the truth. Nelson Mandela might have been a great man, but his social activist group weren't always non-violent. Actually the ANC don't even help their own people..there's so much fraud and corruption in the black run government. Even the black people are sick of it. What kind of end is that to Nelson Mandela's legacy?
 
From what I have seen, I think historical revisionism is happening as we speak. Here is a blog that puts straight some of the myth, while still acknowledging some of the good things he did.

Nelson Mandela
 
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