Never speak against a “Man of GOD”.

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My dear precious beloved brethren, never talk against a “Man of GOD”. When you are among people who talks against Men of GOD, and you try to advise them not to talk against Men of GOD and they refused to listen to you; my dear move away from such people. Don’t be a partaker of their discussion.

So many people have brought curses upon themselves and their children by talking against Men of GOD.

If you are a Child of GOD and you are talking against Men of GOD, you cannot enjoy the full blessings of GOD in your life. If you doubt anything concerning a Man of GOD go to GOD in prayer and ask HIM who the Man of GOD is to HIM. Unfortunately, many cannot talk to GOD and hear from HIM. So, they get their information from the world through the social medias, televisions, newspapers, radios, and from what they hear other people saying. Please don’t be like them. Don’t talk against a Man of GOD. Many people speak what they don’t know and what they don’t even understand.

GOD loves you so much just as HE loved JESUS CHRIST our Precious LORD. Live according to GOD’S WORD and examine everything in the Light of HIS WORD.
Thanks
JESUS IS LORD.
 
And never assume because someone says "I am a Man of God," he is.
 
GOP,

Please give scripture to support each of your assertions.

Thank you.
 
For it is written, "Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?” they asked. “Hasn’t he also spoken through us?” And the Lord heard this.(Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)
At once the Lord said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, He said, “Listen to my words:
“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams.
But this is not true of my servant Moses;
he is faithful in all my house.
With him I speak face to face,
clearly and not in riddles;
he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?”


The anger of the Lord burned against them, and He left them.
When the cloud lifted from above the tent, Miriam’s skin was leprous—it became as white as snow. Aaron turned toward her and saw that she had a defiling skin disease, and he said to Moses, “Please, my lord, I ask you not to hold against us the sin we have so foolishly committed. Do not let her be like a stillborn infant coming from its mother’s womb with its flesh half eaten away.”
So Moses cried out to the Lord, “Please, God, heal her!”
The Lord replied to Moses, “If her father had spit in her face, would she not have been in disgrace for seven days? Confine her outside the camp for seven days; after that she can be brought back.” So Miriam was confined outside the camp for seven days, and the people did not move on till she was brought back (Numbers 12:1-15)."

GOP,

Please give scripture to support each of your assertions.

Thank you.
 
I appreciate you responding, and posting some scripture.

But I don't think this scripture actually supports the assertions in your opening post.



I think you're a very nice person, and a very sincere christian, and I'm not saying this because I dislike you in any way.

I'm saying this because you brought up some issues that are often misunderstood, and which are sometimes intentionally misapplied by christian leaders who aren't nearly as decent and virtuous as those listening to them.




I'll try to post more, and explain, when I have more time.

God Bless.
 


My dear precious beloved brethren, never talk against a “Man of GOD”. When you are among people who talks against Men of GOD, and you try to advise them not to talk against Men of GOD and they refused to listen to you; my dear move away from such people. Don’t be a partaker of their discussion.

So many people have brought curses upon themselves and their children by talking against Men of GOD.

If you are a Child of GOD and you are talking against Men of GOD, you cannot enjoy the full blessings of GOD in your life. If you doubt anything concerning a Man of GOD go to GOD in prayer and ask HIM who the Man of GOD is to HIM. Unfortunately, many cannot talk to GOD and hear from HIM. So, they get their information from the world through the social medias, televisions, newspapers, radios, and from what they hear other people saying. Please don’t be like them. Don’t talk against a Man of GOD. Many people speak what they don’t know and what they don’t even understand.

GOD loves you so much just as HE loved JESUS CHRIST our Precious LORD. Live according to GOD’S WORD and examine everything in the Light of HIS WORD.
Thanks
JESUS IS LORD.


I am sorry to tell you that this is one of the most abused verses in scripture and it is abused by those who should step down because they serve themselves and not God

frankly, we are not supposed to speak ill of ANY other believer

so called 'men of God' would not have to threaten people from the platform or try to scare them by saying that, if they actually were legitimate

there is plenty to watch out for according to the New Testament

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
(2Pe 2:1-3)


I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
(Rom 16:17-18)


Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
(Act 20:28-30)

blindly following a false teacher will put you in bondage

did you know, for example, that Benny Hinn actually stood up front at one of his 'meetings' and cursed people who he said were speaking against him?

that, is the exact opposite of what Christ taught!

people are making a mockery of the word and using scripture for their own ends




the verse that is the source for this wrong teaching, comes from Psalm 105:15

here it is in context:

The Lord’s Wonderful Works in Behalf of Israel.

105 Oh give thanks to the Lord, call upon His name;
Make known His deeds among the peoples.
2 Sing to Him, sing praises to Him;
[a]Speak of all His [b]wonders.
3 [c]Glory in His holy name;
Let the heart of those who seek the Lord be glad.
4 Seek the Lord and His strength;
Seek His face continually.
5 Remember His [d]wonders which He has done,
His marvels and the judgments [e]uttered by His mouth,
6 O seed of Abraham, His servant,
O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones!
7 He is the Lord our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.


8 He has remembered His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.
10 Then He confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the [f]portion of your inheritance,”
12 When they were only a few men in number,
Very few, and strangers in it.
13 And they wandered about from nation to nation,
From one kingdom to another people.
14 He permitted no man to oppress them,
And He reproved kings for their sakes:
15 “Do not touch My anointed ones,
And do My prophets no harm.”


16 And He called for a famine upon the land;
He broke the whole staff of bread.
17 He sent a man before them,
Joseph, who was sold as a slave.
18 They afflicted his feet with fetters,
[g]He himself was laid in irons;
19 Until the time that his word came to pass,
The word of the Lord [h]tested him.
20 The king sent and released him,
The ruler of peoples, and set him free.
21 He made him lord of his house
And ruler over all his possessions,
22 To [i]imprison his princes [j]at will,
That he might teach his elders wisdom.
23 Israel also came into Egypt;
Thus Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
24 And He caused His people to be very fruitful,
And made them stronger than their adversaries.


25 He turned their heart to hate His people,
To deal craftily with His servants.
26 He sent Moses His servant,
And Aaron, whom He had chosen.
27 They [k]performed His wondrous acts among them,
And miracles in the land of Ham.
28 He sent darkness and made it dark;
And they did not rebel against His words.
29 He turned their waters into blood
And caused their fish to die.
30 Their land swarmed with frogs
Even in the chambers of their kings.
31 He spoke, and there came a swarm of flies
And gnats in all their territory.
32 He [l]gave them hail for rain,
And flaming fire in their land.
33 He struck down their vines also and their fig trees,
And shattered the trees of their territory.
34 He spoke, and locusts came,
And young locusts, even without number,
35 And ate up all vegetation in their land,
And ate up the fruit of their ground.
36 He also struck down all the firstborn in their land,
The first fruits of all their vigor.


37 Then He brought them out with silver and gold,
And among His tribes there was not one who stumbled.
38 Egypt was glad when they departed,
For the dread of them had fallen upon them.
39 He spread a cloud for a [m]covering,
And fire to illumine by night.
40 [n]They asked, and He brought quail,
And satisfied them with the [o]bread of heaven.
41 He opened the [p]rock and water flowed out;
[q]It ran in the dry places like a river.
42 For He remembered His holy word
With Abraham His servant;
43 And He brought forth His people with joy,
His chosen ones with a joyful shout.
44 He gave them also the lands of the [r]nations,
That they might take possession of the fruit of the peoples’ labor,
45 So that they might keep His statutes
And observe His laws,
[s]Praise [t]the Lord!




the bottom line is that we should not be speaking ill against anyone

however, those who call themselves teachers or claim some name for themselves with regards to oversight, should be above reproach and should NOT be threatening or scaring or cursing the people under them

things have really gotten out of hand with the way scripture is 'used' in ways it was never intended




 
Peace be with you Sir in JESUS' NAME.
Good morning.
I understand you very well, and some abused the Word of GOD as you said but remember, GOD knows each and everyone of us perfectly well and HE shows no partiality.
The truth must always be spoken whether people accept it or not. And it is written, " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them (Ephesians 5:11). Evil must be exposed.
The WORD of GOD is TRUTH.
Thank you Sir for adding this to the thread.
As you said, "the bottom line is that we should not be speaking ill against anyone."




My dear precious beloved brethren, never talk against a “Man of GOD”. When you are among people who talks against Men of GOD, and you try to advise them not to talk against Men of GOD and they refused to listen to you; my dear move away from such people. Don’t be a partaker of their discussion.

So many people have brought curses upon themselves and their children by talking against Men of GOD.

If you are a Child of GOD and you are talking against Men of GOD, you cannot enjoy the full blessings of GOD in your life. If you doubt anything concerning a Man of GOD go to GOD in prayer and ask HIM who the Man of GOD is to HIM. Unfortunately, many cannot talk to GOD and hear from HIM. So, they get their information from the world through the social medias, televisions, newspapers, radios, and from what they hear other people saying. Please don’t be like them. Don’t talk against a Man of GOD. Many people speak what they don’t know and what they don’t even understand.

GOD loves you so much just as HE loved JESUS CHRIST our Precious LORD. Live according to GOD’S WORD and examine everything in the Light of HIS WORD.
Thanks
JESUS IS LORD.


I am sorry to tell you that this is one of the most abused verses in scripture and it is abused by those who should step down because they serve themselves and not God

frankly, we are not supposed to speak ill of ANY other believer

so called 'men of God' would not have to threaten people from the platform or try to scare them by saying that, if they actually were legitimate

there is plenty to watch out for according to the New Testament

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
(2Pe 2:1-3)


I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
(Rom 16:17-18)


Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
(Act 20:28-30)

blindly following a false teacher will put you in bondage

did you know, for example, that Benny Hinn actually stood up front at one of his 'meetings' and cursed people who he said were speaking against him?

that, is the exact opposite of what Christ taught!

people are making a mockery of the word and using scripture for their own ends




the verse that is the source for this wrong teaching, comes from Psalm 105:15

here it is in context:

The Lord’s Wonderful Works in Behalf of Israel.

105 Oh give thanks to the Lord, call upon His name;
Make known His deeds among the peoples.
2 Sing to Him, sing praises to Him;
[a]Speak of all His [b]wonders.
3 [c]Glory in His holy name;
Let the heart of those who seek the Lord be glad.
4 Seek the Lord and His strength;
Seek His face continually.
5 Remember His [d]wonders which He has done,
His marvels and the judgments [e]uttered by His mouth,
6 O seed of Abraham, His servant,
O sons of Jacob, His chosen ones!
7 He is the Lord our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.

8 He has remembered His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.
10 Then He confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the [f]portion of your inheritance,”
12 When they were only a few men in number,
Very few, and strangers in it.
13 And they wandered about from nation to nation,
From one kingdom to another people.
14 He permitted no man to oppress them,
And He reproved kings for their sakes:
15 “Do not touch My anointed ones,
And do My prophets no harm.”


16 And He called for a famine upon the land;
He broke the whole staff of bread.
17 He sent a man before them,
Joseph, who was sold as a slave.
18 They afflicted his feet with fetters,
[g]He himself was laid in irons;
19 Until the time that his word came to pass,
The word of the Lord [h]tested him.
20 The king sent and released him,
The ruler of peoples, and set him free.
21 He made him lord of his house
And ruler over all his possessions,
22 To [i]imprison his princes [j]at will,
That he might teach his elders wisdom.
23 Israel also came into Egypt;
Thus Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.
24 And He caused His people to be very fruitful,
And made them stronger than their adversaries.


25 He turned their heart to hate His people,
To deal craftily with His servants.
26 He sent Moses His servant,
And Aaron, whom He had chosen.
27 They [k]performed His wondrous acts among them,
And miracles in the land of Ham.
28 He sent darkness and made it dark;
And they did not rebel against His words.
29 He turned their waters into blood
And caused their fish to die.
30 Their land swarmed with frogs
Even in the chambers of their kings.
31 He spoke, and there came a swarm of flies
And gnats in all their territory.
32 He [l]gave them hail for rain,
And flaming fire in their land.
33 He struck down their vines also and their fig trees,
And shattered the trees of their territory.
34 He spoke, and locusts came,
And young locusts, even without number,
35 And ate up all vegetation in their land,
And ate up the fruit of their ground.
36 He also struck down all the firstborn in their land,
The first fruits of all their vigor.


37 Then He brought them out with silver and gold,
And among His tribes there was not one who stumbled.
38 Egypt was glad when they departed,
For the dread of them had fallen upon them.
39 He spread a cloud for a [m]covering,
And fire to illumine by night.
40 [n]They asked, and He brought quail,
And satisfied them with the [o]bread of heaven.
41 He opened the [p]rock and water flowed out;
[q]It ran in the dry places like a river.
42 For He remembered His holy word
With Abraham His servant;
43 And He brought forth His people with joy,
His chosen ones with a joyful shout.
44 He gave them also the lands of the [r]nations,
That they might take possession of the fruit of the peoples’ labor,
45 So that they might keep His statutes
And observe His laws,
[s]Praise [t]the Lord!




the bottom line is that we should not be speaking ill against anyone

however, those who call themselves teachers or claim some name for themselves with regards to oversight, should be above reproach and should NOT be threatening or scaring or cursing the people under them

things have really gotten out of hand with the way scripture is 'used' in ways it was never intended




 
But what if a man of God demands you to speak against him?

Ooooooo...
It has happened before,for example when Samuel asked if he had cheated anyone,noone spoke and so it was concluded that he had been fair with everyone debt wise, but they could have possibly spoke in such a case and I'm positive he or God would have repaid such a person on the rare occasion before Samuel's death.
 


My dear precious beloved brethren, never talk against a “Man of GOD”. When you are among people who talks against Men of GOD, and you try to advise them not to talk against Men of GOD and they refused to listen to you; my dear move away from such people. Don’t be a partaker of their discussion.

So many people have brought curses upon themselves and their children by talking against Men of GOD.

If you are a Child of GOD and you are talking against Men of GOD, you cannot enjoy the full blessings of GOD in your life. If you doubt anything concerning a Man of GOD go to GOD in prayer and ask HIM who the Man of GOD is to HIM. Unfortunately, many cannot talk to GOD and hear from HIM. So, they get their information from the world through the social medias, televisions, newspapers, radios, and from what they hear other people saying. Please don’t be like them. Don’t talk against a Man of GOD. Many people speak what they don’t know and what they don’t even understand.

GOD loves you so much just as HE loved JESUS CHRIST our Precious LORD. Live according to GOD’S WORD and examine everything in the Light of HIS WORD.
Thanks
JESUS IS LORD.



"Never talk against a man of God."



The point made in the opening post is "Never talk against a man of God."
Is this correct?

Before we can discuss whether it's correct, we need to discuss what it MEANS.



A. We need to answer 2 key Questions:
1. What exactly is a "man of God" in the Bible?
2. What does the OP mean when HE uses the term "man of God" in his post?

* WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT?


B. Question #1 - What exactly is a "man of god" in the Bible?

1. In the Old Testament, the phrase "man of god" always referred to prophets, and only prophets, as far as I can tell.

2. In the New Testament, the phrase doesn't appear much at all, and seems to be speaking both to Timothy (a minister) and also to all Christians in general.

3. Therefore, the phrase "man of God" seems a quite ambiguous term. In the OT it referred only to prophets, and in the NT it seems to refer to any kind of minister, but also, more generally, it seems to ALSO REFER to ALL CHRISTIANS.

(It makes sense that the term refers to ALL christians if you consider that the New Testament says ALL CHRISTIANS are PRIESTS, and ALL CHRISTIANS are anointed by the holy spirit.)



C. Questions #2 - What does the OP mean when HE uses the term "man of God" in his post?

1. I have no idea.

2. GOP needs to clarify what he means by "man of God".

3. We cannot discuss what he SAID until we first know what he MEANT.




Conclusion:
- We can't really discuss this until GOP explains what he means by "man of God."
- GOP, please tells us EXACTLY what YOU mean by the term "man of God."

Thank you.





 
"Never talk against a man of God."



The point made in the opening post is "Never talk against a man of God."
Is this correct?

Before we can discuss whether it's correct, we need to discuss what it MEANS.



A. We need to answer 2 key Questions:
1. What exactly is a "man of God" in the Bible?
2. What does the OP mean when HE uses the term "man of God" in his post?

* WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT?


B. Question #1 - What exactly is a "man of god" in the Bible?

1. In the Old Testament, the phrase "man of god" always referred to prophets, and only prophets, as far as I can tell.

2. In the New Testament, the phrase doesn't appear much at all, and seems to be speaking both to Timothy (a minister) and also to all Christians in general.

3. Therefore, the phrase "man of God" seems a quite ambiguous term. In the OT it referred only to prophets, and in the NT it seems to refer to any kind of minister, but also, more generally, it seems to ALSO REFER to ALL CHRISTIANS.

(It makes sense that the term refers to ALL christians if you consider that the New Testament says ALL CHRISTIANS are PRIESTS, and ALL CHRISTIANS are anointed by the holy spirit.)



C. Questions #2 - What does the OP mean when HE uses the term "man of God" in his post?

1. I have no idea.

2. GOP needs to clarify what he means by "man of God".

3. We cannot discuss what he SAID until we first know what he MEANT.




Conclusion:
- We can't really discuss this until GOP explains what he means by "man of God."
- GOP, please tells us EXACTLY what YOU mean by the term "man of God."

Thank you.





Very well put.
 
"Never talk against a man of God."



The point made in the opening post is "Never talk against a man of God."
Is this correct?

Before we can discuss whether it's correct, we need to discuss what it MEANS.



A. We need to answer 2 key Questions:
1. What exactly is a "man of God" in the Bible?
2. What does the OP mean when HE uses the term "man of God" in his post?

* WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT?


B. Question #1 - What exactly is a "man of god" in the Bible?

1. In the Old Testament, the phrase "man of god" always referred to prophets, and only prophets, as far as I can tell.

2. In the New Testament, the phrase doesn't appear much at all, and seems to be speaking both to Timothy (a minister) and also to all Christians in general.

3. Therefore, the phrase "man of God" seems a quite ambiguous term. In the OT it referred only to prophets, and in the NT it seems to refer to any kind of minister, but also, more generally, it seems to ALSO REFER to ALL CHRISTIANS.

(It makes sense that the term refers to ALL christians if you consider that the New Testament says ALL CHRISTIANS are PRIESTS, and ALL CHRISTIANS are anointed by the holy spirit.)



C. Questions #2 - What does the OP mean when HE uses the term "man of God" in his post?

1. I have no idea.

2. GOP needs to clarify what he means by "man of God".

3. We cannot discuss what he SAID until we first know what he MEANT.




Conclusion:
- We can't really discuss this until GOP explains what he means by "man of God."
- GOP, please tells us EXACTLY what YOU mean by the term "man of God."

Thank you.






You have said well Sir. Thank you.
However, before I go further let me say this. In the NT Apostle Paul called Timothy a Man of GOD. Also, Apostle Paul was a Man of GOD with the other Apostles. It is also written, "All Scripture is breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the Man of GOD may be complete, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)."

So, when I say "Man of GOD" in the message, I was referring to those whom GOD has committed the responsibility of leading and shepherding HIS Sheep and Lambs.

The message was also saying that if you doubt the calling of any one who called him/herself a man/woman of GOD don't speak evil against him/her but go to GOD ALMIGHTY and find out from HIM whom the person is to HIM.
 

You have said well Sir. Thank you.
However, before I go further let me say this. In the NT Apostle Paul called Timothy a Man of GOD. Also, Apostle Paul was a Man of GOD with the other Apostles. It is also written, "All Scripture is breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the Man of GOD may be complete, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)."

So, when I say "Man of GOD" in the message, I was referring to[FONT=Times\ New\ Roman] those whom GOD has committed the responsibility of leading and shepherding HIS Sheep and Lambs.[/FONT]

The message was also saying that if you doubt the calling of any one who called him/herself a man/woman of GOD don't speak evil against him/her but go to GOD ALMIGHTY and find out from HIM whom the person is to HIM.



So to put this is simpler terms, when you say "man of God", you mean a PASTOR?
(A pastor is the one who leads the congregation, and who shepherds the congregation.)

Is that correct?






 
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