New argument for Jesus being God

[TheLearner]

Federal Headship implies the original sin doctrine. The original sin doctrine is contrary to the Scriptures. It is not just unScriptural.

Romans 5:19 (ESV)
19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.


Original Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/original

1 : happening or existing first or at the beginning Their original idea was to fix their old car, but they decided to buy a new one instead.

Genesis 3:22
22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”

Ezekiel 18:19-20
Easy-to-Read Version
19 “You might ask, ‘Why will the son not be punished for his father’s sins?’ The reason is that the son was fair and did good things. He very carefully obeyed my laws, so he will live. 20 The one who sins is the one who will be put to death. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. A good man’s goodness belongs to him alone, and a bad man’s evil belongs to him alone.

 

[TheLearner]

https://www.compellingtruth.org/federal-headship.html

 

[TheLearner]

Adam did not decay before the fall - the Tree of Life sustained him.
The forbidden fruit was explained to Adam, not Eve. Gen 2:15-17
Eve was created after from the "rib" Gen 2:21-22
Eve ate first - did the sky fall? no. When Adam ate it, there was an effect.
Gen 3:6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Adam brought sin to the world but Eve was deceived first.


Consider the rhetoric Ecclesiates 3:21, Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
The answer per Ecc12:7before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
For the first 5 days, there was no Image of God until man came along. The body was the vessel of something Holy and was afforded glory (immortality at the Garden of Eden. )
Decay was prevalent in the first 5 days as shown by the fossil records. Eden was endowed with the Tree of Life and decay was rendered meaningless or moot with respect to man. The fall removed access to the Tree of Life, man became part of nature again where decay existed.


The earth means many things.
Consider the literal dirt of the earth.
Eden had fruits to sustain the body in abundance. This allowed Adam to commune with everything and most of all God. What hunter-gatherer tribe created any advanced civilization? None that I can think as It cannot because there is no leisure time to do other things. What about the modern society? Not a good situation either It is said that were are 10 meals from chaos if the logistical trucking system ever collapsed (based on walmart supercentres). We are seeing the failure of shipping system because of COVID ( JIT logistics - no storage). California is a seeing a drought that might last for years - the bread basket of the west( no storage of surface water were built because they thought climate change would render it useless) . The funny thing is all this stems from the knowledge of man. The dirt of the earth is cursed because we listen to the wisdom of man. We can not sustain the earth and sea and in turn it cannot sustain us.

Consider as ancestral soil from which we spring. Gen 2:7 the soul = breath of life + soil of the ground. The breath of life is God's (Gen 7:22, Prov 20:27, Isa 30:33). The soil is the remaining ingredient. The substance apart from God's breath is cursed. Consider Genetic Entropy: John C. Sanford (he is a Christian) He plotted the life span of all the patriarchs with time and found it followed a decaying curve. The DNA of mankind is slowly degenerating. Scientist say that we acquire ABOUT 40 mutations a generation - all of them detrimental (1 in 10000 is beneficial). Without the Tree of Life, mankinds genome will decay till we are extinct. The natural state of man.


Adam's physical world was 2 persons. The Spirit of God gave 1 condition to the Adamic covenant. He broke it because of Eve. We live with multiple distractions.
Romans 8:1-3 reiterates the yoke of Christ is light Matthew 11:30.
Romans 8:4-8 The covenant as per Mark 12:30-31 can only be fulfilled if we obey the Spirit of God. If you obey the man's doctrines, you will end up with 2 masters Matthew 6:24, hating one over the other. Considerations of the flesh (i.e. Adam and Eve with the fruit) can never ultimately fulfill your obligations to God. Render all Glory to God, the rest will fall in place.


Scripturally, Jesus is the Branch of Jesse (Isaiah 11) and Scion of David (Jeremiah 23:5).
The Branch of Jesse was from the mother Mary.
As Joseph was of Judah (Luke 2:4) but was forbidden (Jeremiah 22:30), the scionship came from God.
Legally and prophetically it was necessary.
He is the literal Son of God and the son of David (God smeared David and David begat Jesus)

As a conjecture, how else can you fit an intellect and power like the Word. You need a perfect body. The DNA had to be completely rewritten.

"Decay is an essential life process, which helps to digest food and recycle materials. Bacteria and fungi are the main groups of decomposer. They release enzymes to break down compounds, so that they can absorb the nutrients. "
https://revisionworld.com/gcse-revision/biology/green-plants-organisms/decomposers-and-decay

Without Bacteria and fungi dying Adam would have died before he could sin.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

"Decay is an essential life process, which helps to digest food and recycle materials. Bacteria and fungi are the main groups of decomposer. They release enzymes to break down compounds, so that they can absorb the nutrients. "
https://revisionworld.com/gcse-revision/biology/green-plants-organisms/decomposers-and-decay

Without Bacteria and fungi dying Adam would have died before he could sin.

"Did Adam decay? was the question of posthuman. They believe decay (death) was a result of the fall. Their logic invokes the myth of gilgamesh. That the Tree of Life in the bible was actually the vegetation of eternal life of the pagan myth. posthuman's logic was why didn't Adam just eat the fruit and have eternal life before God kicked them out.
It is my contention, the Tree of Life would have sustained Adam when he ingested as need be. The Tree of Life would correct the decay of living. Being denied the tree, Adam was left to nature's decay

posthuman's contention is Adam did not eat the fruit of life as it was never written, therefore gilgamesh's tree did not grant eternal life - Adam died. This is a silly argument as there was no sanction against ingesting the the fruit of life. The only sanction was against the fruit of knowledge of what is up and down and all around.
Like I said, ingestion of the fruit was never written but neither toilets. Biological necessities both, with bacteria in between. Ask posthuman, for further elaboration, as I have no clue what is their logic.

The doctrine of original sin is that sin is inherited by all people because of Adam's fall. That all person are totally depraved from womb to grave (calvinist "t" of tulip). It is antiScriptural. Federal headship is the mechanism by which sin is transmitted to later generations, something not written in the scriptures with wide ranging implications. Once again, man's doctrine.

 

[CS1]

you should become more familiar with scripture.

Also you shall have a place outside the camp, where you may go out; and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse. For the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you and give your enemies over to you; therefore your camp shall be holy, that He may see no unclean thing among you, and turn away from you.​

(Deuteronomy 23:12-14)​

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They also demolished the sacred pillar of Baal. ​

Then they tore down the temple of Baal and made it into a latrine, which it is to this day.​

(2 Kings 10:27) ​

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you think God created Adam full of decay & death, such that he had to keep eating from 'the antidote' daily lest he perish.
the scripture does not support this. you need to ask yourself why Adam spent his time making garments of fig leaves instead of eating from the tree of life. because he is stupid? or because he is wise?

you applaud yourself for spending your time denigrating Christ; Deutronomy 23 instructs us that you should take such rubbish outside of the camp and cover it.

it is amazing how many miss that God prevented Adam from eating of the tree of life to ensure he would not be eternally lost. Also how God had to kill an animal to provide a covering for them or their sin.

 

[TheLearner]

"Did Adam decay? was the question of posthuman. They believe decay (death) was a result of the fall. Their logic invokes the myth of gilgamesh. That the Tree of Life in the bible was actually the vegetation of eternal life of the pagan myth. posthuman's logic was why didn't Adam just eat the fruit and have eternal life before God kicked them out.
It is my contention, the Tree of Life would have sustained Adam when he ingested as need be. The Tree of Life would correct the decay of living. Being denied the tree, Adam was left to nature's decay

posthuman's contention is Adam did not eat the fruit of life as it was never written, therefore gilgamesh's tree did not grant eternal life - Adam died. This is a silly argument as there was no sanction against ingesting the the fruit of life. The only sanction was against the fruit of knowledge of what is up and down and all around.
Like I said, ingestion of the fruit was never written but neither toilets. Biological necessities both, with bacteria in between. Ask posthuman, for further elaboration, as I have no clue what is their logic.

The doctrine of original sin is that sin is inherited by all people because of Adam's fall. That all person are totally depraved from womb to grave (calvinist "t" of tulip). It is antiScriptural. Federal headship is the mechanism by which sin is transmitted to later generations, something not written in the scriptures with wide ranging implications. Once again, man's doctrine.

Aging requires decay. So, yes he did decay, but not at the rate we do today. Digesting food requires decay, so that is common sense proof that Adam decayed too. It is my opinion until a child disobeys their parents they are likely without sin. Also, I think it is the environment of sin that passes down the problem of sin, not genetics.

Skin replacement requires decaying too. This is all common sense. Hair dies too. If Adam had hair that is death.

Ezekiel 18
Easy-to-Read Version
True Justice
18 The word of the Lord came to me. He said, 2 “Why do you people say this proverb:

‘The parents ate the sour grapes,
but the children got the sour taste’?”

3 But the Lord God says, “By my life, I swear that people in Israel will not think this proverb is true anymore! 4 I will treat everyone, child and parent, just the same. The one who sins is the one who will die!

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Aging requires decay. So, yes he did decay, but not at the rate we do today. Digesting food requires decay, so that is common sense proof that Adam decayed too. It is my opinion until a child disobeys their parents they are likely without sin. Also, I think it is the environment of sin that passes down the problem of sin, not genetics.

Skin replacement requires decaying too. This is all common sense. Hair dies too. If Adam had hair that is death.

Ezekiel 18
Easy-to-Read Version
True Justice
18 The word of the Lord came to me. He said, 2 “Why do you people say this proverb:

‘The parents ate the sour grapes,
but the children got the sour taste’?”

3 But the Lord God says, “By my life, I swear that people in Israel will not think this proverb is true anymore! 4 I will treat everyone, child and parent, just the same. The one who sins is the one who will die!

That is correct. Living within time means we are under the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Organized energy to a less organized state of energy so it can be useful. Decay.

The idea of decay was conflated with death. It is a primitive understanding that is flawed.

God is Always Just and Impartial. That is why there is no need of doctrines or boogeymen to crave the Rule of God and the Kingship of Christ.

 

[awelight]

What exactly is a Federal Head ???

Adam, who was our Federal Head - A legal term - means that, all humanity was "united" in him as our representative before God. It is as binding, as a Covenant, between God and the other party. When Adam fell, by not keeping God's one and only Commandment, we are said, to have fallen in him. His sin was "imputed" to all mankind. The same way, that Jesus Christ's Righteousness is "imputed" to the accounts of God's Elect. Therefore, if Adam could not maintain his "uprightness" before God, then God was just, in determining that neither could anyone - past, present or future, who was a prodigy of Adam. This is the legal sense of the term.

In a practical application - in the Fall, Adam and eve lost there "Original Uprightness" and marred their nature with the introduction of the "sin nature", which now dwelled in their flesh. This broke communion with God. Thus, God clothed Adam and Eve with a form of righteousness, in order to reestablish communion with Him. Gen 3:21 And Jehovah God made for Adam and for his wife coats of skins, and clothed them.

From this point forward, everyone who comes into the world, carries the sin nature. Psa_58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. It is for this cause, Jesus Christ must be separated from Adam in His conception. Born of the Spirit, instead of a human father - placed in a sanctified womb of the mother, so that He maybe that "holy thing".