The heresy is comparing Trump to Jesus.
The lie is trying to imply that I compared General Titus to Jesus.
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The lie is trying to imply that I compared General Titus to Jesus.
And I'm saying his name being Barabbas has little significance. His 'insurrection' -if that's what it even was- was obviously not very notable. He became nothing in history, except for the guy that the Jews had released instead of Jesus, because they didn't like Jesus.
Tons of Jews had names like his. It's really not that remarkable.
You can't just allegorize anything you want and turn it into a new prophecy- that's private interpretation, and unbiblical.
He wasn't just accused. Peter calls him a murderer while filled with the Holy Ghost; he was a murderer, and a rebel, and Trump is neither proven to be, or even likely to be either of those things. This comparison is nonsense.
Come on dude, really? Who? Who is putting hope in Trump for salvation?
People that are weak in the faith (yes, the faith in Jesus) are easier to deceive. There is little to compare between the two men, and the deception is pretending that there is.
I am far more familiar with the Gospels than the Book of Esther... and I don't know that those comparisons were wrong. Maybe they were, maybe they were not.
There's a right way, and a wrong way- and this comparison is based on loose-association and is weak; therefore, it's the wrong way.
I said he may be our legitimate president; which he might- and if he is, the only thing that suggests that they would have in common is legitimacy. That's no heresy.
I didn't imply that you compared General Titus to Jesus. I said that's what a lot of preterists actually believe- the point of me posting that is because I don't know why someone would cite a preterist church (which is widely considered to either be heresy, or borderline heresy not just by myself, but by... pretty much everyone) unless they, themselves, were preterists. And as you said to Cam, "you are not locked into any eschatology".[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Βαραββᾶς Barabbâs, bar-ab-bas'; of Chaldee origin (H1347 and H5); son of Abba
Matthew 27:16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
Matthew 27:17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
Why not mention the other two thieves that were crucified with Jesus? Why is Barabbas mentioned first before Jesus? This is simply more confirmation to v.16 that Barabbas was "a notable prisoner".
What is unbiblical is to teach that the word of God is not meaningful. Every word is useful and meaningful.
Mark 15:7 And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.
I think you meant Mark.
Trump has been accused of all of these things. Barabbas was arrested during Passover and Jesus was also arrested during Passover.
At the end of the age there is a major theme that the world chooses the Antichrist to save them rather than Jesus.
You were the one that compared Trump to Jesus in your post.
My quote was a historical reference to Barabbas, who he was and what he had done. I did not quote from any "preterist" church that draws the parallels between Trump and Barabbas. Therefore bringing that up was a red herring.
Post #1,391 “ I have no idea why, but it seems like there is at least a large handful of Christians that either want to deny they have any stake, or hand over their stake to the enemy and be persecuted. It might not be a salvation issue, but I think it's definitely neglectful if all you ever do is pray- but never act when you have the authority to act.”
So what does this mean “neglectful”?
Are you saying that they are neglecting to hear your call for action?
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
or are you saying, based on the context of this might not be a salvation issue, that you are neglecting so great a salvation.
Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
You tell me that this is a matter of the faith. How can it be a matter of the faith if it has nothing to do with salvation? Oops, my bad, you never said it had nothing to do with salvation, what you said is it "might not" and even if it didn't it definitely was a matter of neglect.
So why not clarify for us, neglect of what? And let's make sure to not ignore the context, you are talking about Christians and their stake in this that they are neglecting.
Comparing Trump with Jesus
29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, 30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. 31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. 32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. 33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? 34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. This would be like riding in a Kia, not your own Kia, but a borrowed Kia. This is not like coming down the escalator, this is not like flying in a private plane. Let us be realistic, there is nothing humble or lowly about Trump's entrance onto the scene.
35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. 36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
No, a donkey is a stubborn animal and we have gotten where we are as a result of some very stubborn people. Steve Bannon is a donkey. Mike Lindell is a donkey. Kari Lake is a donkey. And yes, Donald Trump is a donkey. Steve Bannon has gotten thousands of people to sign up to be precinct committee men for the first time. Dr. Naomi Wolf is a donkey and the thousands that have helped her research Pfizer are donkeys. There are a whole lot of stubborn people who have refused to be stop doing what they are doing that have gotten us to where we are today.
37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
All the mighty works that they have seen? Surely that refers to exposing Fauci, Pfizer the pandemic, the Wuhan lab, and the vaccine. Trump had nothing to do with that. Surely this refers to all the work done to expose election Fraud. Trump had nothing to do with that. It also must refer to bringing down Facebook, Twitter, and the censorship of Christian conservatives and again, Trump had little to nothing to do with that. And yes, it has to do with Trump draining the swamp and exposing people like Hillary Clinton. He has played a part, but as the donkey, not as the Lord.
38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
We are talking about these non stop praise and worship events that have gone on for days and even more than a week. They aren't praising Trump they are praising Jesus.
41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
This is the only gospel where this is said here. Right now we are on the eve of destruction. The other gospels refer to those who are already in the tribulation so this word appears in a different context and different timing.
So, sorry, I don't see the comparison. I can easily compare Trump to Barabbas or to the donkey, but not to Jesus.
29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, 30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. 31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. 32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. 33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? 34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. This would be like riding in a Kia, not your own Kia, but a borrowed Kia. This is not like coming down the escalator, this is not like flying in a private plane. Let us be realistic, there is nothing humble or lowly about Trump's entrance onto the scene.
35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. 36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
No, a donkey is a stubborn animal and we have gotten where we are as a result of some very stubborn people. Steve Bannon is a donkey. Mike Lindell is a donkey. Kari Lake is a donkey. And yes, Donald Trump is a donkey. Steve Bannon has gotten thousands of people to sign up to be precinct committee men for the first time. Dr. Naomi Wolf is a donkey and the thousands that have helped her research Pfizer are donkeys. There are a whole lot of stubborn people who have refused to be stop doing what they are doing that have gotten us to where we are today.
37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
All the mighty works that they have seen? Surely that refers to exposing Fauci, Pfizer the pandemic, the Wuhan lab, and the vaccine. Trump had nothing to do with that. Surely this refers to all the work done to expose election Fraud. Trump had nothing to do with that. It also must refer to bringing down Facebook, Twitter, and the censorship of Christian conservatives and again, Trump had little to nothing to do with that. And yes, it has to do with Trump draining the swamp and exposing people like Hillary Clinton. He has played a part, but as the donkey, not as the Lord.
38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
We are talking about these non stop praise and worship events that have gone on for days and even more than a week. They aren't praising Trump they are praising Jesus.
41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
This is the only gospel where this is said here. Right now we are on the eve of destruction. The other gospels refer to those who are already in the tribulation so this word appears in a different context and different timing.
So, sorry, I don't see the comparison. I can easily compare Trump to Barabbas or to the donkey, but not to Jesus.
I am aware of the translation, and as I already said, a lot of Jewish names were something to the effect of being a son of god.
Yes, he is notable to us because of the situation with Jesus. His insurrection, as I specified, was not; because nobody seems to know the details.
It is useful and meaningful: at the same time, you can't use it, or make it mean whatever you want.
No, but the scripture you pointed out will also suffice.
Anyone can accuse anyone, it means little.
I said their would be a comparison specifically with respect to their legitimacy. Which is an accurate statement.
The bible certifies that Barrabas was a murderer. Trump was accused for political reasons by the DP. One of these things is not like the other.
The link you provided was clearly a citation, and the church that authors that article is preterist in doctrine.
They didn't compare Barabbas to Trump, that's true. But them making a big deal out of Barabbas' name; and specifically, the way they do it, is one of the things I have a problem with.
"The name is ironic, considering that Christian belief states Jesus as the only Son of the Father."
Except, Christian belief does not state that. There is a very meaningful difference between "Only-begotten son" and "only son".
"I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you," Is the scripture Jesus used to defend himself against people accusing him of blaspheming: all the Israelites could be called 'Sons of God'.
IIRC, this was about people's stake with respect to the nation and citizenship. I wasn't talking about people neglecting their salvation as in Hebrews 2. The point I was trying to make is that if we neglect our civic responsibilities we are going to be persecuted- and there's no reason to let our US Government become like Canada, or worse. We don't need representatives passing legislation against preaching the word.
Specifically with respect to the Barabbas/Trump comparison.
We've not reached some point where we need to choose between Trump and Jesus. There are some on Christian Chat that have said that voting for Trump is like choosing Barabbas over Jesus.... it's not even close to the same thing. The democrats are not Jesus; they are nothing like him, and their policy is nothing like his doctrine. It's a false comparison. Trump is not Barabbas, and the Democrats are not Jesus- they are closer to the Roman Empire, but there are important distinctions in between now and then.
Now... Trumps arrest falling into the Passover is probably a political ploy that both sides will try to use to their narrative advantage in some way- but no one should get caught up in this allegory like
"OH NO, IF I SUPPORT TRUMP, I'M LIKE THE JEWS". That's not what is going on here.
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Sunday, April 2, 2023 15:23
We are all about looking at current events and Q in the light of God’s Word!
THIS is the Great Day of the Lord, and we in the Battle of Good vs. Evil – Armageddon.
Next up… 1000 Years of Peace! (We are not escaping, and we are not being annihilated – that was Fake News!)
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Good description of what a donkey is like that carries the Lord into the city of Peace.
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Good description of what a donkey is like that carries the Lord into the city of Peace.
Right... that will certainly be worth the price of admission... LOL... the DS MSM and Big Tech have yet to Cancel Him and Stifle his opposing speech and narrative...
Lets see how this hole plays thru...
Mindful, that while the DS Left MSM is capturing our attention to focus upon their Left Hand - we need to continue to monitor what they are up to with their Right hand... hmmm wondering what deception or distraction are they up to - hmmm what is it that they are now trying to hide from the Public... I suspect that tonight's feed from the Patriots will remind us...
let's check it out...
ahhh ... now it all seems to make more sense... This is what they do Not want us to see and focus our attention on...
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They are trying to make the US and other countries give their sovereignty over to the WHO. Vote is in May.Right... that will certainly be worth the price of admission... LOL... the DS MSM and Big Tech have yet to Cancel Him and Stifle his opposing speech and narrative...
Lets see how this hole plays thru...
Mindful, that while the DS Left MSM is capturing our attention to focus upon their Left Hand - we need to continue to monitor what they are up to with their Right hand... hmmm wondering what deception or distraction are they up to - hmmm what is it that they are now trying to hide from the Public... I suspect that tonight's feed from the Patriots will remind us...
