Tell me one Bible verse that says "works of the Spirit".
No living faith without works
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Gen 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
It's one thing to be blind to the spiritual nature of God's works, and of man created in His image. It's even worse to make yourself ignorant of the nature of work itself.
Tending takes work. Plucking takes work. Producing takes work. No work, no producing, no plucking, no tending.
Faith Alone without works is spiritually and naturally dysfunctional.
Earthly rewards for work is proof of natural sowing and reaping.
Heavenly rewards for work is proof of justification by works.
Blindness of the spiritual nature of good and evil works, is ignorance of the eternal reward of resurrection from the dead for doing good and not evil.
And of course, all Faith Alone salvation reduces itself to not being judged by their works.
Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
If the sinner knows their works are not justified with God, then how much more Jesus Christ the righteous.
2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
No sinner is justified with God by having the innocent unjustly killed, much less by crucifying Jesus Christ the righteous.
Jhn 15:24
But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Worse, you think I'm trying to convince you of your foolishness.
That horse left with your blind rejection of the spiritual nature of God and men's works.
1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
How can anyone believe they are justified with the righteous God, when they know themselves, that their own works are not justifiable?
2Th 2:10
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
All Faith Alone ideology is reduced to one delusional thing: Because I know that my works are not justifiable, therefore I need to be justified by my Faith Alone.
1 Peter {1:15}
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning in fear:
Romans 4:4-8 KJV
4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7) Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8) Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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Jesus dying on the cross depended on us killing Him. Otherwise, He had not died on a cross.
The finished work of Jesus at the cross, is the condemnation of all men that sin against Him.
Psa 51:4
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Act 2:22
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
No sinner is saved and justified by Jesus Christ dying on a cross by sinful men's hands. Believing in Jesus' death on the cross, is no better than the devils, that had Him killed, who also believe and tremble.
Only those believing in Jesus' resurrection, to repent of sinning against Him, are justified from having Him crucified.
Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
To justify a man, is to make his works righteous. Justifying a man that is doing unrighteousness, is unjust judgment.
How can any man, that knows his own works are unrighteous, be justified by the righteous judge.
When any man says his own works are unjustifiable, he knows he is not justified by Jesus Christ the righteous.
Only an unjust judge justifies a man, who knows his own works are wicked.
Already have to you.
1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
God justifes the ungodly from their ungodly deeds.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The righteous Lord does not justify the ungodly with their sinful deeds.
Nah 1:3
The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked:
Job 10:14I
If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.
Faith Alone justification without works, is Faith Alone justification with sinful works. Faith Alone justifies the ungodly with their sinning.
Unless any Faith Alone Christian wants to say they do no works at all, which is sin for not doing good. Or, they do no evil at all, but only good.
No Faith Alone Christian has ever said the former for themselves, and all Faith Alone sinners say the later is impossible, and inhumanly proud. Instead, all Faith Alone Christians loudly proclaim their continued sinning with justification, as still being only human.
Tell us one Bible verse that says you are saved by "faith alone".
I'm sorry, I'm not following you . . . you seem to be saying two things at once that conflict.
To be perfectly clear . . . no amount of works will other obtain or add to your justification, which is given you based on your . . . faith alone.
Afterward, we who are regenerate based on their faith alone go on to do those good works.
Much love!
If ignorance is bliss, you must be most happy. I'll not respond to you any further. You have your own concept of salvation and it's not Biblical.
It does not say that we are saved by faith. Why is it that people are so focused on what we must do? You really think that we are that good? We are saved by grace, and even our faith is the faith of Jesus, not ourselves. We are not saved by works.
You also do not know the difference between the initial, born again experience and the salvation of the soul. I've tried to explain it here a number of times. The problem is that it leaves no room for boasting, which displeases the self righteous greatly.
I've said this before also, but no, it leaves no room for boasting so it's ignored.
"For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!" Romans 5:10
Do you not see? Salvation really is of God ".....And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’" Acts 2:21. I don't see any mention of works there. Likewise Romans 10:9
You think works save you? Think again. You think God is impressed with your deeds? God is only pleased with Jesus. He declared that to be so from heaven. Now if you are born again, you died and your life is hidden in Christ with God. If you are dead, how can you work?
Abraham never got to offer his son because the Lord intervened (Genesis 22).
So I would not use that as an example of works.
Ultimately, James stresses the point that works perfect your faith.
James is effectively identifying what a genuine faith is.
So if someone in church looks hungry take them out to dinner.
Thus you have perfected your faith.
Simple stuff.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
A free gift cannot be earned.
Salvation is that free gift.
Never look at your own Christian life as if, some how, you contributed to your own salvation.
Boast in Jesus Christ.
He is completely unwilling to understand anything. Some members of the Church of God Anderson and similar holiness traditions can be very difficult to reason with, depending on the individual. In some cases, people focus so much on their own sense of spiritual perfection that they are closed off to other interpretations. A perfectionist mindset like that makes it nearly impossible to have a productive discussion, because they already believe their interpretations are correct and everyone else is wrong.
Yes. I write as much for other believers as I do to debunk the false doctrines. Some of the false sounds reasonable until you dig deeper into the Word.
