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GRACE_ambassador

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When you teach that Jesus and Paul taught 2 different Gospels I would say you misunderstand grace and wrongly divide the word (small w) of God.
I thought we were done = "nothing more to be said." But do you wish to now
continue discussing my "misunderstanding of God's Amazing Grace," and His
TWO Different Gospels?

Just wonderin', since I do Certainly wish to be "Approved Unto God" (2Ti 2:15)...
 

Beckie

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As soon as the words 'rightly divide' are posted by someone . It time to kick the dust from your feet and move one.
 

awelight

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Read through the Article and did not see an explanation of "Right Division." What I read was that the Author put forth that we were to teach only what the Apostle Paul taught. All well and good, as long as we understand that what the other Apostles taught are also worthy of being taught.

As well, WHAT JESUS TAUGHT should be the main docrinal materials we should teach. After all, it is His Gospel that Paul and the other Apostles taught.

I wonder why some people stress teaching what Paul taught, and rarely mention what Jesus Himself said? I find that interesting......
A right division is important but I think it is much more vital that we get the Doctrines right. This then, includes the ministry of the Holy Spirit, study, proper discernment and willingness to abandon error.

You made a statement - that sounded like you were putting the Lord's spoken Words, as recorded in the Gospels - above and beyond what the Apostle Paul taught. This would be a serious mistake. All of the Original Autographs were inspired of God. Even the words that Jesus Christ spoke and the things He accomplished in His earthly ministry, were given to Him by His Father. They are of great importance, to be sure but don't lower Paul's teachings or overly elevate Christ's, they are both the Word of God.

The Apostle Paul, was inspired by the Holy Spirit, to write the following things about his ministry:

1Cor 4:16 I beseech you therefore, be ye imitators of me.

Rom_2:16 in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ.
Rom_16:25 Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal,
2Ti_2:8 Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my gospel:


So you see, the Apostle Paul felt it not robbery, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, to call it his gospel.

Just a thought.
 

oyster67

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If the Bible appears confusing, the problem resides between our own two ears.
 

FlyingDove

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I wonder why some people stress teaching what Paul taught, and rarely mention what Jesus Himself said? I find that interesting......
Christ upon resurrection begins to mediate a new better eternal sin management covenant (Hen 8:6. 9:15).

The risen Christ chooses Paul to preach a message. The new covenant (Order of Melchizedek/spiritual/eternal is tied to the Abrahamic covenant promise (Gen 15:4-5). The Lord made 430 years before the Mosaic (Levitical order/temporal/physical) law covenant is cut at Mt. Sinia.

Paul's message isn't to Israel only, it's to ALL nations.

While Christ is alive His in the flesh/earthly mission is to Jews under the law only.

Gal 4:4 But when [in God’s plan] the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the [regulations of the] Law
(MY NOTE: Christ born of a woman, born under all Mosaic law regulations. Jesus lived by Mosaic law, faithfully kept all 619 & preached the Law to "Those under the Law")

Not one living person today, Jew or Gentile, has ever been under the old Mosaic law covenant. The temple & Levitical priesthood have been out of operation since 70 AD. Christ is our great High Priest (Heb 4:14).

Scripture doesn't lie:

Matt 4:23 The Lord Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their (JEWS) synagogues preaching the gospel of the kingdom,

Matt 10:5 The Lord Jesus sends the 12 & commanded them. Don't! go to Gentiles,

Matt 10:6 The Lord Jesus commands the 12: Only go! To lost sheep of the house of Israel,

Matt 15:24 The Lord Jesus said, He's only been sent to preach to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,

Rom 15:8 Paul teaches, Messiah was sent to preach to the circumcision (JEWS),

Bible study 101: Who is speaking, to whom is he speaking, what is he speaking about. Jesus is speaking to Jews only, about repentance of "returning to God". Not! About confessing every personal sin. Their God given sacrificial system dealt with covered/sins.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(MY NOTE: Pre-Christ's sin atoning death & resurrection ALL gentiles were viewed as impure, godless dogs, WITHOUT HOPE, bastards living outside of covenant seals)

Matt 7:6 The Lord Jesus said, give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
(MY NOTE: Dogs, swine & gentiles all considered unclean/impure under Mosaic Law)

Matt 15:22-26, Vs 26 Jesus calls the Canaanite/gentile women a DOG!
(ME NOTE: Note: In Jesus [a Jew] day gentiles were considered to be godless & ceremonially unclean. The reference "dog" was a commonly known & used expression within the Jewish culture.

Jn 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the (roman/gentile) hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.
(MY NOTE: Just being in the gentile Hall of Judgment made a Jew UNCLEAN!)

Acts 10:28 Peter tells Cornelius a gentile. Under Mosaic law (which Jesus taught & faithfully kept) IT'S UNLAWFUL for a Jew to keep company with a gentile. Under Mosaic law gentiles were seen as unclean, bastards outside covenant seals.

We can't broad brush repent & be baptized (OT/covenant doctrine) or confess every sin after conversion. Onto today's (NT/covenant) body of Christ believer.

Claiming Jesus' earthly ministry was to everyone is false! Placing NT believers under Mosaic law ordinances is wrong.

That doesn't mean we can't glean spiritual truths from all scripture:

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
MY (NOTE: ALL scripture is written for our LEARNING. ALL scripture isn't written for our DOCTRINE. Example: NT believers aren't required to be circumcised (Acts 15:24) or bring an animal sin sacrifice to Temple Priests)

Scripture cites Salvation is to the Jew 1st & then to the Gentile (Rom 1:16, 2:9-10) From thr H/s outpouring at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4)

It's been 6 years since the Holy Spirit outpouring at Pentecost. Salvation has only been preached to the Jew only.

Here at the Italian gentile Cornelius house a most wonderful change is happens:

Acts 10:43-44 While Peter spoke the Holy Spirit fell on all of them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). No repentance of any kind here, No water baptism, No circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No law keeping, no sin confessions.

Read Act chapter 10. Peter preached the sin atoning death & resurrection to these Gentiles. And by Faith & faith alone they received Christ baptism with His eternal salvation sealing Holy Spirit. (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30)

Finally,
The New covenant mediated by Christ today. Is the extension/fulfilment of the unilateral unconditional covenant promise God made to Abraham (Gen 15:4-5). This covenant promise came 430 years before (Gal 3:17) the Mosaic law covenant. And is received thru Faith (Gal 3:14) in a righteous God & not by any righteous works of man.

All praise, glory & honor belong to our Great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ! AMEN & Amen