No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
-"Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son."
I John 2:22 NKJV
 
sawdust said:
You hold to a reformed theology whereby Christ only died for the Elect, all of whom are believers so you're point is illogical to start with.

There are two judgments. The first one was for our sins. Christ paid that price, death, spiritual and physical. The second is for our evil. Our evil is rejection of the truth from which our sins come. Believers are evaluated at the seat of Christ to see how well they handled the truth they were given. As an example if you are wrong about Christ only dying for the Elect? You will lose rewards because you handled the truth badly. Unbelievers are judged at the Great White Throne and they have rejected the Central truth who is Christ and in whom all truth is found so they die the second death, the lake of fire.

James 1:15
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

Desire conceived occurs when the truth is rejected. This is evil. Christ cannot die for this rejection of truth because He cannot deny Himself. He is Truth and therefore cannot reject Himself. It is impossible for Him to conceive of Himself to be anyone other than who He is ergo, He cannot stand in our stead on that matter.

2 Timothy 2:13
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Please try and think a little deeper on this matter instead of simply handing back to me your worn out phrases. :)
Click to expand...
Christ died for the sins of them He died for, so they cannot die for sins and unbelief is one of their sins
 
brightfame52 said:
Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

No man can come here means no man has the ability to come to Christ. That cancels out the myth that man has a freewill,

It also means that no man has the ability to believe on Christ for Salvation. Because Christ equates believing on Him with coming to Him. Jn 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


What about those Jesus says to them Jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Thats answered in Jn 6:44 they simply will not come because they cannot come unless the Power of God draws them and makes them willing

Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

If and when one comes to believe on Christ willingly, the credit goes to Gods Power !
Click to expand...

I should clarify my statement. Yes He died for all of us, and yes He gave all of us free will.

-“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭37‬, ‭39‬-‭40‬, ‭64‬-‭66‬, ‭70‬-‭71‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
Edify said:
It's not. Just because no one can come to the Father unless the Spirit draw him doesn't mean they can say no. For years, sinners have said no & never came to Christ.
Click to expand...
The Drawing is regeneration, saved, a new creature
 
brightfame52 said:
You started off in error.
Click to expand...

Well, since you’re not specifying the error, I have no idea what you’re talking about? You’re just brass sounding in the wind.

Otherwise, you need to back yourself up with Scripture. (?)
 
brightfame52 said:
The Drawing is regeneration, saved, a new creature
Click to expand...
The drawing is NOT regeneration, for not everyone comes to Him.
God can/will rejects those that reject Him.
1 Timothy 2:4 states that "God wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth".
2 Peter 3:9 states that the Lord is not slow to keep His promise, but is patient, “not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance”.
God draws everyone, for He's no respecter of persons.
 
Edify said:
It's not. Just because no one can come to the Father unless the Spirit draw him doesn't mean they can say no. For years, sinners have said no & never came to Christ.
Click to expand...

Are you saying it’s not false? Idk what you’re trying to say?

Scripture states that He calls us, but few are chosen. We have a choice! Not everyone wants it, or even believes so they’re not chosen in the end. I’ve seen many come to Christ, but eventually faded away—- forever lost.
 
-“So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭20‬:‭16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-““For many are called, but few are chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back