No trust in Creation...no trust in Genesis....no trust in Scriptures...

[Elin]

'Let him who has ears, hear'

"If anyone has ears that hear, let him hear."

"He who has ears that hear, let him hear."

Only the born again have ears that hear.

 

[Elin]

Sides are for coins. Odds are for dice.

Odds are for disparity.

''Everyone views the world through their beliefs.''

Might be the smartest thing I've seen on this thread.

Would that smartest thing include you?

 

[Elin]

So how do you explain the death of all/most of the intermediary species as well as
the total lack of fossil evidence for them ever existing, after all, we do have the dinosaur fossils?

Complexity is not equivalent to physical size.

And truth is not equivalent to error.

Your point?

Non-responsive.

 

[Timeline]

Every time I think about it, it amazes me that one of the smallest things we are aware of, is almost identical to one of the largest - the Atom and the Solar system

 

[Esanta]

Thank you Esanta. A few questions on your assertions. What is the term scientists use to describe the half way formed inner ear bones in fish? What term is used for the gill slits in human embryos? Name one transitional fossil which shows evolution from one life form to another. Lastly, what is your reasoning why no intermediary life forms are living among us today?

There are several stages of the evolution of the inner ear. There is a part called a spiracle in certain types of fish. This spiracle developed into a stapes in certain species - that's the transition. The first fish I know of to develop a stapes were acanthostega.

We call the gill slits them pharyngeal arches, and the mandibular arch is the one that leads to the inner ear development. In fish, the arches form gills.

We have found fossils of species descended from the Denosivans, a human-like ancestor, and were able to sequence its DNA. So that's a transitional fossil that's been used to figure out evolutionary lineages. It shares DNA with Denosivans and with us.

Lastly, we're all intermediary life-forms. Evolution hasn't just stopped.

 

[Timeline]

Every time I think about it, it amazes me that one of the smallest things we are aware of is almost identical to one of the largest - the Atom and the Solar system

 

[Elin]

Maybe you as a non-Christian, should take heed of Jesus' words instead of hijacking them for your own agenda. While we're on the topic of Jesus Christ, He - being the Son of God, believed Genesis 1-11 were real, literal history. I'm not sure why theistic evolutionists etc. believe the second person of the Triune God wouldn't know us much as our scientists today. So silly. At least you non-Christians are consistent in your unbelief.

I'm going with the God-man on this, who believed the Scriptures were the Word of God, his Father.

And the Word of God states the Creator spoke all into being in six days.

Sorry that can't be put under a microscope.

 

[jag1977]

see YOU

 

[Esanta]

I've never been to answersingenesis. This statement is based off of a review of scientific literature as well as my own scientific observations and experiments.

Skin color is a noticeable difference in human lineage and is not a mutation, it is a Genetic Variance. As I pointed out skin color is a great proof that your idea of evolution is actually a misunderstanding as skin color can be bred in or out of humans within a very short space of time.

As for mutations, not all mutations are passed on to the offspring. Mutations can be bred in or out of a species in as little as 1 generation. We can even observe this at the micro-level like for instance how bacteria can mutate drug-resistance within a single generation, and then if one changes their environment, the drug-resistant genes can be bred out of the bacteria while the bacteria still remains of the same Kind. Microbiology is a good example of how Darwinist evolution is impossible, but Genetic Variance and Mendellian Genetics are factual. To add, Mendellian Genetics is supported by the Bible and supports the Bible as well.

It's fairly clear that you've never done a science experiment in your life. Skin colour is most definitely an evolutionary mutation. If you knew anything about evolution you'd know that humans evolve BY mutating, which is also called 'changing proteins and creating gene variations'. That's why it can be 'bred out'. When a white person with the white person gene mates with a black person with the black person gene you get a baby with a mixture of the two genes.

The reason the white person gene evolved is because humans spread out and lived in colder climates with less sunshine.

The black person gene causes the skin to create lots of melanin and the white person gene stifles melanin production, thus the child's skin is lighter in colour. If that child breeds with a white person the white person gene becomes dominant. But it's never gone entirely. That's why white can people sometimes have black kids.

Bacteria are extremely simply life forms. Please stop going to answersingenesis where they talk about the 'dog kind'.

 

[Elin]

Maybe you as a non-Christian, should take heed of Jesus' words

I will if you do.

Do you have ears that can hear; i.e., are you born again of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Elin]

No. My factual , evidence based conclusion is that something's size (a dinosaur) does not mean it's more complex than something smaller. And if intermediary species aren't here to you now, it's because we have conscious viewing of current life. They won't be intermediary on a historical basis until humans see them a few million years from now when their ancestors are quite different. Every species is constantly intermediary, because everything changes continually.

Right now, humans mutate. We are developing, other species are developing. We group animals into certain groups because they are similar. The fact that species are similar to one another doesn't disprove evolution on the grounds that they're too similar. We would expect similar species to evolve from similar species.

The fact that vastly differing life-forms exist doesn't disprove evolution either. We would expect original life-forms to exist as long as the conditions necessary for their existence continue. An amoeba splits, mutates, the mutated amoeba reproduces thus we have two slightly different amoeba. Both continue to reproduce so we have thousands of 'units' of each type. Some of those mutate and reproduce so we now have thousands of three types. Eventually one gets an evolutionary advantage. Sometimes the mutations don't give evolutionary advantages so a type dies out.

Cancer is an evolutionary disadvantage in humans, just like the sickle cell illness. But the sickle cell gene, if passed on by one parent, has a 50% chance of making the child immune to malaria.

Cancer is an evolutionary disadvantageous mutation. Sickle cell is advantageous in reproduction.

Evolution happens.

Adaptation is not evolution of one species into another.

 

[Esanta]

Adaptation is not evolution of one species into another.

No, not one instance of adaptation. But they add up.

 

[RedTent]

What is amazing is that people decide on the existence of God based on whether God breathed scripture giving a time schedule and description of how He did it in the bible. We have established that the bible tells of the existence of earth before he counted the seven days.

It is even explained to us in Hebrew about the first and fourth day of creation God gave you with the Hebrew words Owr, choshek for the first day and when he created light the Hebrew words are maorot and layil. You have Hebrew dictionaries for you have the net.

If you want to learn about what man can figure out about all this, go to science. If you want to learn about the principles of God, go to scripture. But don't try to make scripture a scientific manual, it isn't.

 

[jag1977]

Great waters, pure deeds, and the time comes you see. In me I can see the human in evolution.

 

[superdave5221]

I can use the word "self evident" as well.

The difference is that you have no concept of what it means in terms of epistemology.

 

[Tintin]

RedTent, you're right in saying that the Bible isn't a scientific manual (otherwise God's Word would be seriously outdated). But that's not to say the Bible doesn't contain science.

It contains many fields of study. Some include:
History
Geology
Biology
Anthropology
Astronomy

 

[Esanta]

RedTent, you're right in saying that the Bible isn't a scientific manual (otherwise God's Word would be seriously outdated). But that's not to say the Bible doesn't contain science.

It contains many fields of study. Some include:
History
Geology
Biology
Anthropology
Astronomy

You've clearly missed the point. What RedTent is saying between lines is 'the bible isn't a basis for science. It's a basis for God's moral principles'.

 

[Elin]

Iff a day is like an age to God, then when is a day not like an age to God? When it's a day? Well, when is a day a day and not an age? What better time for a day to be like an age than during the creation of everything that exists?

You do not understand the verse in its context.

By the way, how can a morning and evening exist when there is no sun, stars or moon until the 4th day?

Diffused light of the gases of the universe (brightness of the heavens--Da 12:3) consolidated into specific lights.

You get to do the research.

 

[Esanta]

You do not understand the verse in its context.


Diffused light of the gases of the universe (brightness of the heavens--Da 12:3) consolidated into specific lights.

You get to do the research.

You do realize that the ''diffused light'' you're talking about would kill every living thing on Earth? That includes those plants and trees on day 3 - one day before the sun, moon and stars.

 

[Elin]

I left the inverted commas out in the first 'presupposition'.

Your point?