Precious friend, please advise The Scripture(s) you are referring to?
Non-essential Christian Doctrines
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I’d highly recommend reading the New Testament scriptures, mainly Apostle Paul since he was ordained to the Gentiles , although the rest of scripture should be studied prayerfully. I find Romans , 1&2 Corinthians, Galatians , (1 Timothy 2timothy which help leaders . ) but all of the NT . I love the Acts its very foundational and history of the early church . Very encouraging to see how God worked and could work again , but sin and disobedience will cause God to withhold blessing. The seven churches in Revelation is a good lesson too . Most of them had problems, and the Lord warned them and most needed to repent and obey . The last church Leodecia was really in bad state , and the warning was to individuals. Kinda where we are now in many places . I don’t know the state world wide there must be some somewhere honoring the Lord . He only knows . But if a person is in a dishonourable church , most likely will need to leave it and find others that seek the Lord out of a pure heart . Separation from evil is usally the first step . It talks about that in 1 Corinthians 5 , 2 Timothy ch 2 . Most importantly 
, usally a church will not change I tried a few times they refuse and so I leave , and I have stayed with reading the word and prayer a lone often . And it works . Some will use the verse forsake not the gather together . But that is conditional that they are honoring God as I see it , if they dishonour the Lord they need to be informed about it , if they refuse to listen then you can decide can you condone it or not . Apostle Paul said a little leven levens the whole lump , meaning a little sin will infect the whole body . So sin is not to be tolerated. Otherwise leave it . Don’t expect change to come easy in any church set in its ways . Separation requires a strong relationship with the Lord , but I think he will help you if you do the right thing .He has helped me much for a long time . My relationship has grown a lot stronger now after being separated many years . I hope this helps some one .
, usally a church will not change I tried a few times they refuse and so I leave , and I have stayed with reading the word and prayer a lone often . And it works . Some will use the verse forsake not the gather together . But that is conditional that they are honoring God as I see it , if they dishonour the Lord they need to be informed about it , if they refuse to listen then you can decide can you condone it or not . Apostle Paul said a little leven levens the whole lump , meaning a little sin will infect the whole body . So sin is not to be tolerated. Otherwise leave it . Don’t expect change to come easy in any church set in its ways . Separation requires a strong relationship with the Lord , but I think he will help you if you do the right thing .He has helped me much for a long time . My relationship has grown a lot stronger now after being separated many years . I hope this helps some one .
Good idea! I do have the scripture and many of us have read it many times just as they did in ancient times to which, our ancient brothers didn't respond to what was already in place, that the Spirit-led Body of Christ itself was and is greater than all gifts. (1Cor 14:29):
Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.
Verse 32: "The spirits of prophets are subject to prophets." Never, at the expense of the corporate Body of Christ!
The Flaw
Somehow, the loss of seizing verse 29's authority over the prophet is the excuse all institutional liturgy was founded upon,
"To maintain imperial unity, the hierarchy suppressed unpredictable [life of the Spirit] "spiritual" outbursts."
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Well I’d read the whole NT prayerfully! Meditate on it 2 Timothy is excellent chapter 2 the whole chapter is very informative. You need to read the context not just a verse here and there . But these verses in 2 Timothy ch 2 are highlighted v 15 , 16, 19 , 20, 21, 22 , 23,24 ch3 v 16,17 ,ch 4 v 2,3,4 the whole book really ! Titus whole book . Romans ch 12 ,13 1Corinthians chapter 14 this is church order by commandments . Rarely found . V33 ,34 35, 36,37 ,40 some women will not like it . They use the excuse that women can prophecy, which is true but not in the church its against The Lords commandment. Of silence in the church and not teaching or usurping power over men . This is God order and is rarely adhered to . A big problem! 1 Timothy ch 2 v 8- 15 same teaching about women.1 Timothy Ch 3 v1,2 some verses to look at but of course more of them I hope this helps .
In essentials Unity. In Non-Essentials Liberty. In all things Charity. If more Christians practiced this, the Church would be much stronger.
Nah, I would certainly have to determine this as non-essential for some Christians. Yes, we are ALL not to ''forsake the gathering of ourselves together'' on that day, as long as it is for the benefit of both persuasions, Rom 14:5.
Non-Essentials? Yeah yeah, undoubtedly ''we don't need the gifts liberty''. That right? Now tell me again what spirit is it that conforns to the tight-liped institutional Church? That is correctly the non-essential, for where the Spirit is, there is liberty (2Cor 3:17).
So, after my post (164), none of our Liturgical cared to defend it. And none of the ''gates of hell shall not prevail against my Church'' cared to defend that. Both have been faced by coughed up authority in that post. So is V13 and V14 is what is left from this less-militant form of faith?
''And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.''
''Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.''
''And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.''
''Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.''
I’d say the commandments are not grievous if we keep them in the Spirit of Liberty. The flesh cannot do this it finds them restrictive . Because it does not have Gods power to Obey . The LORDs day is the Sabbath not Sunday as many assume and is a commandment. A number of years ago I did a bible search just what day is the LORDs day . It’s the Sabbath and always will be , contrary to the teachings of men being Sunday . Sunday is never said to be the Lords day . Oops what do we do now ? Go back to obedience or ignore it as a non essential? Jesus said the law will not pass away before heaven and earth . So it’s still valid . All of it . Food for thought . I don’t moderate this thread just drop in once in while and read the responses hoping to get people to search the scriptures to see if it’s so . God Bless !
God the Father, Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit as my witness, what an absolute shame to report this!
But if your like me, I still might not grasp the severity here on a couple of different levels? They may feel as I, that where we are now just kinda of transformed itself into these many elite forms of expression with no disruption to the "succession" of shepherds. What possible interruption could have impacted? Well, first stop is warning to the flock to be warry of,
For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. -The Apostle Paul (Acts 20:29)
Just as the link shows, they were scattered and I can only imagine the remaining spiritual fallout effort to publish this received an ongoing freeze out.
But, I still might not be convinced of any wrongdoing? What is some of those key points to illustrate any shame of the Church's involvement?
Do not become unequally yoked together with unbelievers. (2 Corinthians 6:14)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)
Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility with God?
Therefore whoever has chosen to be a friend of the world is appointed an enemy of God. (James 4:4)
Anyone of you having a matter against the other, dare he go to law
before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? (1 Corinthians 6:1)
As I tend to use the epistles as a practical-side on issue of the Gospels, this one from the Lord remains untouched as it pertains to our ancient brotherhood escape being tossed to the lions,
Make every effort to reconcile with your adversary while you are on your way to the magistrate. Otherwise, he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and the officer may throw you into prison. / I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the very last penny.” (Luke 12:58)
As far as Liturgy is concerned as solitary involvement, wrong, there is remnants of the Edict throughout denominations in varying degree. God help us!
The granddaddy of all non-essential Christian Doctrine should not escape view without simplifying what happened. You'll notice, I used "Liturgy" as the outcome of the 313-AD heathen pact also known as the Edict of Milan, only because Liturgy is the most renowned pitch the flesh within chose to use to show the Holy Spirit of the Apostle's tradition the door.
But if your like me, I still might not grasp the severity here on a couple of different levels? They may feel as I, that where we are now just kinda of transformed itself into these many elite forms of expression with no disruption to the "succession" of shepherds. What possible interruption could have impacted? Well, first stop is warning to the flock to be warry of,
For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. -The Apostle Paul (Acts 20:29)
Just as the link shows, they were scattered and I can only imagine the remaining spiritual fallout effort to publish this received an ongoing freeze out.
But, I still might not be convinced of any wrongdoing? What is some of those key points to illustrate any shame of the Church's involvement?
Do not become unequally yoked together with unbelievers. (2 Corinthians 6:14)
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)
Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility with God?
Therefore whoever has chosen to be a friend of the world is appointed an enemy of God. (James 4:4)
Anyone of you having a matter against the other, dare he go to law
before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? (1 Corinthians 6:1)
As I tend to use the epistles as a practical-side on issue of the Gospels, this one from the Lord remains untouched as it pertains to our ancient brotherhood escape being tossed to the lions,
Make every effort to reconcile with your adversary while you are on your way to the magistrate. Otherwise, he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and the officer may throw you into prison. / I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the very last penny.” (Luke 12:58)
As far as Liturgy is concerned as solitary involvement, wrong, there is remnants of the Edict throughout denominations in varying degree. God help us!
And I think Augustine would have liked to decree for the church which is necessary and which is not, and what the exceptions are in the "all things" for which mercy should not apply and anathema pronounced..Hello @NightTwister, I agree with you about how we should handle the essentials and non-essentials of the faith as Christians. As the famous quote (traditionally credited to Augustine) tells us,
In Essentials, Unity, in Non-Essentials, Liberty, in All Things, Charity (the third point or principle, I believe, being the most important of the three) .. e.g. Matthew 5:9; John 13:34-35
I'm also in a church that officially promotes these principles* at the denominational level (the Evangelical Free Church of America), principles that have most often resulted in loving discussions between brothers and sisters in Christ, instead of the unloving, heated arguments like the ones that we so often see out here in online Christendom.
Here's a short, interesting article about these principles if you'd care to read it: In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity by Mark Ross
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
p.s. - the EFCA says: “In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, charity. In all things, Jesus Christ.” *
There are no non-essential Christian doctrines/Scriptures (2Tim. 2_16-17),
but some (the Gospel/kerygma) are essential to believe at least implicitly in order to satisfy GRFS (e.g., Acts 16:31),
and others (the didache) build on that foundation in order to grow toward moral/spiritual maturity (e.g., Eph. 4-6).
but some (the Gospel/kerygma) are essential to believe at least implicitly in order to satisfy GRFS (e.g., Acts 16:31),
and others (the didache) build on that foundation in order to grow toward moral/spiritual maturity (e.g., Eph. 4-6).