The bible is clear....it is the spirit that has been born of God, is eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ positionally for ever....it is housed in a fallen, sinful body that is corrupt, wicked and not subject unto the word of God
That is Gnosticism.
Read up on it...
Gnosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It was the Gnostics who taught a "positional righteousness" in conjunction with a "manifest wickedness."
The Bible teaches the opposite...
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
The Bible never teaches that the human body is wicked, corrupt and not subject unto the word of God. Where is that taught in the Bible?
The Bible teaches that the CARNAL MIND is not subject to God and that is why Christian's put to death the carnal mind in repentance whereby they henceforth yield to the Spirit and are thus cleansed and made pure.
You are actually a Gnostic who unwittingly uses the various proof texts and Christian terminology you have been brainwashed with in order to promote the same basic tenets of ancient Gnosticism.
The children of God are MANIFEST by their deeds and likewise the children of the devil are MANIFEST by their deeds. You teach that deeds have nothing to do with it because salvation is some abstract position that has nothing to do with actual conduct.
Was Daniel a saved child of God when he was confessing his sins and identifying with the sins of Judah<--yes
Was Peter saved when he lied and denied JESUS three times<--yes
Was David saved when he committed murder and adultery with Bathsheba and Uriah<--yes
Was Paul saved when he writes he is the number one chief sinner among men TOWARD the end of his life<--yes
Was Noah saved when he got rip roaring drunk<--yes
Was Peter saved when Jesus rebuked him and called him Satan for his false view<--yes
Was MOSES saved when he struck the rock twice<--yes
Was Aaron saved when he made the golden calf<---yes
You have no idea what salvation even means.
Salvation is FROM sin. You have been deluded into thinking that one can be "saved" and yet at the same time raping babies and murdering women. Cannot you see how absurd that is?
David was not saved in his sins. He had to repent in order to be redeemed. No one is saved in their sins. We are saved FROM our sins.
A prisoner is not free whilst locked up in jail. Israel was not free when still in bondage in Egypt. Deliverance involves being SET FREE and Jesus Himself taught that those whom sin are the servants of sin. You are claiming that a servant of sin is somehow saved.
Paul taught that we are slaved to whom we obey, obedience unto righteousness or sin unto death. You ignore those parts of the Bible and any honest person reading this exchange knows it.
You still cannot address the issue of heart purity. You simply refuse to and invent some excuse that I "follow some man" and say things "which are false."
Well prove your accusations. You don't say anything of content, there is nothing of substance behind what you write.
"Failing" according to you is David committing adultery and murder. Thus under your theology you can have "saved" child molesters and serial killers. The church in your religion is a hodge podge of people engaged in all manner of wickedness because the sin never stops. You just cloak it with "sometimes" and "slip up" etc.
Again the real issue is the refusal to deal with the HEART. Your religion is all about "trust" and "confess" and yet the heart remains wicked. Modern Pharisees serve doctrines instead of rites and rituals like the olden day ones.
The HEART is the issue. The issue is not the flesh body, the flesh body is merely a vehicle we are meant to bring under control. It was the Gnostics who blamed sin on the flesh as thus denied their own responsibility.
