Not Allowing Kids to Get Gifts at Christmas - - It's Wrong

[john832]

Worthy of celebration? Yes.
Worthy of celebration in a manner that originated from other religions?
Worthy of celebration on a day that's not His birthday?

The real issue is your second point.

Deu 12:29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

 

[john832]

Ok, it really doesn't say two, or three, or twenty two, or 144,000..........Magi (at least not in Matthew)

BUT THERE WERE ONLY THREE KINDS OF PRESENTS SPOKEN OF.......although, I suppose each of them could have given three different kinds of presents which would make the number of presents equal "the number of Magi present times 3"

[h=1]Matthew
2[/h]
1 .) Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 .) Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
3 .) When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
4 .) And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
5 .) And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6 .) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
7 .) Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
8 .) And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
9 .) When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
10 .) When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
11 .) And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
12 .) And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

So, how many gifts do people give to CHRIST during the xmas season?

 

[KohenMatt]

UMMM Did they say NOT to either?

UMMM Did they say NOT to gamble and support dog fighting?

Careful, that rationale is a slippery slope.

 

[john832]

UMMM Did they say NOT to either?

UMMM Did they say NOT to gamble and support dog fighting?

Careful, that rationale is a slippery slope.

A very slippery slope indeed. There is no scripture in the New Testament that condemns beastiality. Raises an interesting dilemma doesn't it?

(Of course it is sin, Ex 22:19)

 

[SarahM777]

A very slippery slope indeed. There is no scripture in the New Testament that condemns beastiality. Raises an interesting dilemma doesn't it?

(Of course it is sin, Ex 22:19)

No,no dilemma all sexual sin in the NT is condemned. All sexual sin is a form of adultery.

 

[KohenMatt]

No,no dilemma all sexual sin in the NT is condemned. All sexual sin is a form of adultery.

And all forms of idolatry and syncretism are condemned all throughout scripture as well.

 

[john832]

No,no dilemma all sexual sin in the NT is condemned. All sexual sin is a form of adultery.

Where? No all sexual sin is not adultery. Adultery can only occur when the party(ies) are married but not to each other.

 

[SarahM777]

Where? No all sexual sin is not adultery. Adultery can only occur when the party(ies) are married but not to each other.

Sorry take a good look at all the definitions of the moral law within the Mosaic law. God is DEFINING what He means by Thou shalt not. The penalties were often the same for a married man and woman,men lying with men,men lying with beasts. All caught in the act were to be stoned to death.

 

[john832]

Sorry take a good look at all the definitions of the moral law within the Mosaic law. God is DEFINING what He means by Thou shalt not. The penalties were often the same for a married man and woman,men lying with men,men lying with beasts. All caught in the act were to be stoned to death.

Sure the penalties are the same, same today...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But if you want to lump it all together then you could say that the second Commandment is the same as the seventh, the penalty is the same.

 

[KohenMatt]

Sorry take a good look at all the definitions of the moral law within the Mosaic law. God is DEFINING what He means by Thou shalt not. The penalties were often the same for a married man and woman,men lying with men,men lying with beasts. All caught in the act were to be stoned to death.

So are we now using the Law to define what sexual sin is, and thus determine whether the NT addresses it?
If that's true, wouldn't it be wise to use the same standards of not having anything to do with other religions or their practices?

(Again, I'm not not condemning those who celebrate Christmas, that's between God and man. I'm just providing some food for thought.)

 

[iamsoandso]

hey!!!!!hats of to you all,,,in the last few pages instead of descending into and open argument (like we end up a lot of times),,,we are beginning to speak to one another and address the issue from both sides. i do think it is an important issue because it is somthing we are teaching our children to do for the rest of their lives,so whether it is correct or incorrect will affect them in the day of judgement.,,,i do feel that this as every portion of the matters of the christian faith need be looked at with us all together. one of us may point out something all of the rest of us may not have seen.,,,but i am glad to see you all saying,,,,"well you know look at this,,,and the other yea,but if you think about that,,,,,together",,,,,,,it proves the spirit of love was the source from the beginning in both,,,

 

[p_rehbein]

So are we now using the Law to define what sexual sin is, and thus determine whether the NT addresses it?
If that's true, wouldn't it be wise to use the same standards of not having anything to do with other religions or their practices?

(Again, I'm not not condemning those who celebrate Christmas, that's between God and man. I'm just providing some food for thought.)

The Christian celebration of Christmas has nothing to do with the pagan celebration being referred to here........the pagans DID NOT celebrate the Birth of the Christ Child...........ergo, the Christian celebration of Christmas is not "having something to do with other religions or their practices."

The celebration of birthdays is pagan...........
The celebration of anniversaries is pagan......
The celebration of Memorial Day is pagan.....
The celebration of Veteran's Day is pagan....
The celebration of Thanksgiving is pagan.....
The celebration of the 4th of July is pagan....
The celebration of President's Day is pagan...
The celebration of Martin Luther King Jr. day is pagan.......

and on, and on, and on............how do I know they are pagan? Well, are they in the Bible?

 

[p_rehbein]

So, how many gifts do people give to CHRIST during the xmas season?

don't know about others, but my family and my home church give gifts to Christ, to His Kingdom every Christmas, and year round...........omygosh..........does this mean we celebrate Christmas year round?

aarrrggghhhh............the horror, the horror of it all.......

WHAT DO YOU GIVE JESUS?

 

[p_rehbein]

You going to a sunrise service are you?

Eze 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

What's it to you if I choose to?

So, let's see.............you don't celebrate Christmas, and I'm guessing you don't celebrate Resurrection Sunday (Easter), which pretty much leaves you with, well, with nothing...........

From which DIRECTION will the Lion of Judah return? I dunno, when the EASTERN SKY SPLITS?

Goodness, people go to great lengths to demonize the simplest and most joyous of celebrations of praise and worship of God/Jesus Christ...........how inspirational they are...........

 

[Misty77]

So, how many gifts do people give to CHRIST during the xmas season?

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me."

 

[p_rehbein]

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me."

Amen...........(man wish I had thought of that.......)

And how many Christians and church groups go out at Christmas feeding and clothing the needy, getting them shelter if possible, and medical attention if needed?

AND HOW MANY OF THEM DO IT YEAR ROUND?