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During the past winter I was PM's this at a Bible forum I am member of .
I think this may be very helpful in carrying this discussion forward.
It is my hope at least.
For a Christian to lose their salvation God would have to:
*Erase the Mark (John 13- And verse 35.)
*Withdraw the Holy Spirit within them
* Cancel the Deposit (Ephesians 1:13-14 & 2 Corinthians 1:21-22)
*Break His promise (Acts 2:38-39 & http://www.openbible.info/topics/assurance_of_salvation)
*Revoke the Guarantee (James 1:17 & 2 Corinthians 1:22)
*Keep the Inheritance (Ephesians 1:11-14)
*Forego the praise (Hebrews 13:15)
I think this may be very helpful in carrying this discussion forward.
It is my hope at least.
For a Christian to lose their salvation God would have to:
*Erase the Mark (John 13- And verse 35.)
*Withdraw the Holy Spirit within them
* Cancel the Deposit (Ephesians 1:13-14 & 2 Corinthians 1:21-22)
*Break His promise (Acts 2:38-39 & http://www.openbible.info/topics/assurance_of_salvation)
*Revoke the Guarantee (James 1:17 & 2 Corinthians 1:22)
*Keep the Inheritance (Ephesians 1:11-14)
*Forego the praise (Hebrews 13:15)
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Why won't you answer my question about my sexual abuser?
Come on answer it.
Can you answer it?
Maybe you have, in fact you have.
You have said many a time, if you don't forgive then you will not be forgiven, therefore you are in hell.
Come on bro, stand on that pedastool and tell me if on that night the first of many nights in fact 1,460 days when I did not forgive I'm going to hell because God would not forgive me for 1,460 days.
Finally Peter denied Jesus, he did not repent and come back to Jesus.
Jesus sought out Peter.
Quote Bible verses where Peter was humble in repentance, you will not find it.
He got upset with Jesus when he came to him after he rose again.
Come on Ben, don't deflect and answer
Come on answer it.
Can you answer it?
Maybe you have, in fact you have.
You have said many a time, if you don't forgive then you will not be forgiven, therefore you are in hell.
Come on bro, stand on that pedastool and tell me if on that night the first of many nights in fact 1,460 days when I did not forgive I'm going to hell because God would not forgive me for 1,460 days.
Finally Peter denied Jesus, he did not repent and come back to Jesus.
Jesus sought out Peter.
Quote Bible verses where Peter was humble in repentance, you will not find it.
He got upset with Jesus when he came to him after he rose again.
Come on Ben, don't deflect and answer
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John 14:16 he MAY remain with you.
Mathew 20:28 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you, remember I am with you always to the end... (But what if you DO NOT observe everything that I have commanded you??)
Hebrews 13:5 Keep your life free from the love of money, be satisfied with what you have, I will never leave you or abandon you. (But what if you do love money more that Jesus, and you are not satisfied with what you have and so you do not observe what Jesus commands you to get more?) (IOW you reject Jesus for the world, will he leave you then?) The answer is you have left him and his promise is no longer valid for you.
Mathew 20:28 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you, remember I am with you always to the end... (But what if you DO NOT observe everything that I have commanded you??)
Hebrews 13:5 Keep your life free from the love of money, be satisfied with what you have, I will never leave you or abandon you. (But what if you do love money more that Jesus, and you are not satisfied with what you have and so you do not observe what Jesus commands you to get more?) (IOW you reject Jesus for the world, will he leave you then?) The answer is you have left him and his promise is no longer valid for you.
You say that like you hate me. You know what Jesus thinks about a person who hates.
One scripture I will give you is Matthew 6:14-15. To the 'saved' Jesus says, you either forgive all or my father will not forgive you of all the trespasses you have done towards Him.
Have you and will you continue to forgive all men their trespasses against you?
One scripture I will give you is Matthew 6:14-15. To the 'saved' Jesus says, you either forgive all or my father will not forgive you of all the trespasses you have done towards Him.
Have you and will you continue to forgive all men their trespasses against you?
Yes BillG, I believe that if you had not forgiven your abuser, you would not have eternal life with Christ, who forgave all his abusers. I do not say that you have been in hell for 1460 days, but I will say that if you had not forgiven that person, you will not live with God and Jesus for 1460 billions of eternities.
Here is the ironic thing. If your abuser reconciles himself to God and fully repents of his actions against you, God will forgive him and allow him to live with Him and Jesus for eternity.
So I am glad you had it in your good heart to forgive this trespass against you, so God can fogive your trespasses against Him, and allow you to live with Him and Jesus eternally.
Here is the ironic thing. If your abuser reconciles himself to God and fully repents of his actions against you, God will forgive him and allow him to live with Him and Jesus for eternity.
So I am glad you had it in your good heart to forgive this trespass against you, so God can fogive your trespasses against Him, and allow you to live with Him and Jesus eternally.
You are describing 1 John 2:19
I think you're entitled to believe your salvation is trepedatious. I believe you are entitled to live your humanist ideology wherein you think your ego is able to evict the holy spirit of God on your whim. I believe you are fully entitled to think as a humanist, live as a humanist, and die as a humanist. I do not think your humanist doctrine that corrupts the words of God should be tolerated. And you've certainly proved you're not entitled to be called on in Christ.
I think people here should realize that post after post, argument after argument, corrupted scripture after corrupted scripture that is marred by your own interpolation, your own desire to have it read as you wish it to and as you make it to read with your own writing, has told us that you are 1 John 2:19. Page after page, post after post, thread after thread. You are simply sharing what you are. And you want the rest of us to agree that makes us one with you. It does not. God knows it cannot.
I think you're entitled to believe your salvation is trepedatious. I believe you are entitled to live your humanist ideology wherein you think your ego is able to evict the holy spirit of God on your whim. I believe you are fully entitled to think as a humanist, live as a humanist, and die as a humanist. I do not think your humanist doctrine that corrupts the words of God should be tolerated. And you've certainly proved you're not entitled to be called on in Christ.
I think people here should realize that post after post, argument after argument, corrupted scripture after corrupted scripture that is marred by your own interpolation, your own desire to have it read as you wish it to and as you make it to read with your own writing, has told us that you are 1 John 2:19. Page after page, post after post, thread after thread. You are simply sharing what you are. And you want the rest of us to agree that makes us one with you. It does not. God knows it cannot.
Thank you for your response and answer.
So the abuser can ask God to forgive him and is saved? Yes I agree, but the abuser does not ask the the abused to forgive them yet is still saved?
You better make sure that you have no unforgivness in you heart or unconfessed sin before you die.
If not then you and me are going to hell hand in hand.
So the abuser can ask God to forgive him and is saved? Yes I agree, but the abuser does not ask the the abused to forgive them yet is still saved?
You better make sure that you have no unforgivness in you heart or unconfessed sin before you die.
If not then you and me are going to hell hand in hand.
Hi Magee, Jesus is speaking truth to his disciples in the Sermon on the Mount. He is using "hyperbole" an exaggeration of truth to make his point sure and believable.
Example: In Chapter 5:29 on adultry, he says, "if" your eye offends you "pluck it out", do people think Jesus wants us to pluck out our eye if we lust for another woman, of course not, Jesus is using hyperbole an exaggeration to get his point across and He does this all through "The Sermon on the Mount."
Point: It is the same identical idea "hyperbole" that Jesus uses in Matthew 6:14,15 about forgiveness. Have you ever held unforgiveness in your heart for someone, that is his point don't do it or God will not forgive you. Will God forgive you? Yes He will, but Jesus speaks in hyperbole an exaggeration to get his point across to His disciples, it is imperative to forgive, even your enemies.
Bottom line; know what type of language a person is using before you make an improper "Interpretation."
A false interpretation will always, always lead to a false "application" and that directly effects everyone.
God bless!
Example: In Chapter 5:29 on adultry, he says, "if" your eye offends you "pluck it out", do people think Jesus wants us to pluck out our eye if we lust for another woman, of course not, Jesus is using hyperbole an exaggeration to get his point across and He does this all through "The Sermon on the Mount."
Point: It is the same identical idea "hyperbole" that Jesus uses in Matthew 6:14,15 about forgiveness. Have you ever held unforgiveness in your heart for someone, that is his point don't do it or God will not forgive you. Will God forgive you? Yes He will, but Jesus speaks in hyperbole an exaggeration to get his point across to His disciples, it is imperative to forgive, even your enemies.
Bottom line; know what type of language a person is using before you make an improper "Interpretation."
A false interpretation will always, always lead to a false "application" and that directly effects everyone.
God bless!
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False yet again....to NEVER KNOW SOMEONE means HE NEVER KNEW THEM........geesh....even a 5 year old can tell the difference
If JESUS had KNOWN them and then said HE NEVER KNEW THEM MAKES JESUS a LIAR....you need to get your head out of the bucket and wake up to the real truth......wow man!
If JESUS had KNOWN them and then said HE NEVER KNEW THEM MAKES JESUS a LIAR....you need to get your head out of the bucket and wake up to the real truth......wow man!
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