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Observation - Interpretation - Application
A false interpretation = a false application, all of the time.
Hi Mcgee and welcome back from sinless perfectionism. This is why I continually harp on correct "Interpretation." If your interpretation is off then your application, which effects everyday life, will be off. I put this in my signature hoping some my pay head to their false doctrines. There are rules of interpretation that keep us from making false statements.
To trifle with Gods word and misuse its applications is a dark road to be on.
God bless you and welcome back from the abyss.....
Romans3:4
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
A false interpretation = a false application, all of the time.
Hi Mcgee and welcome back from sinless perfectionism. This is why I continually harp on correct "Interpretation." If your interpretation is off then your application, which effects everyday life, will be off. I put this in my signature hoping some my pay head to their false doctrines. There are rules of interpretation that keep us from making false statements.
To trifle with Gods word and misuse its applications is a dark road to be on.
God bless you and welcome back from the abyss.....
Romans3:4
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
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Observation - Interpretation - Application
A false interpretation = a false application, all of the time.
Hi Mcgee and welcome back from sinless perfectionism. This is why I continually harp on correct "Interpretation." If your interpretation is off then your application, which effects everyday life, will be off. I put this in my signature hoping some my pay head to their false doctrines. There are rules of interpretation that keep us from making false statements.
To trifle with Gods word and misuse its applications is a dark road to be on.
God bless you and welcome back from the abyss.....
Romans3:4
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
A false interpretation = a false application, all of the time.
Hi Mcgee and welcome back from sinless perfectionism. This is why I continually harp on correct "Interpretation." If your interpretation is off then your application, which effects everyday life, will be off. I put this in my signature hoping some my pay head to their false doctrines. There are rules of interpretation that keep us from making false statements.
To trifle with Gods word and misuse its applications is a dark road to be on.
God bless you and welcome back from the abyss.....
Romans3:4
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
thank you so much bro...
but now that i came to the truth
im here to stay
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Hi Mcgee and welcome back from sinless perfectionism. This is why I continually harp on correct "Interpretation." If your interpretation is off then your application, which effects everyday life, will be off. I put this in my signature hoping some my pay head to there false doctrines. There are rules of interpretation that keep us from making false statements.
To trifle with Gods word and misuse its applications is a dark road to be on.
God bless you and welcome back from the abyss.....
Romans3:4
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
As a human being, I like things being done for me. I do not like to labor for what I desire. I lik the fact that Christ has totally completed the necessary deeds to secure my eternal salvation. That does set me free.
To trifle with Gods word and misuse its applications is a dark road to be on.
God bless you and welcome back from the abyss.....
Romans3:4
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."
Observation - Interpretation - Application
A false interpretation = a false application, all of the time.
Well, there can only be one truth concerning the will of God and his redemptive plan for eternal life. Christ said to know the truth and the truth SHALL set you free. Now if he said that, then the truth must be pretty easygoing to the ear and will. A false interpretation = a false application, all of the time.
As a human being, I like things being done for me. I do not like to labor for what I desire. I lik the fact that Christ has totally completed the necessary deeds to secure my eternal salvation. That does set me free.
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revolving door salvation
notice
"person" no thought what-so-ever about what it means to be an adopted son or daughter of God
salvation depends on the efforts of the individual
in this mind set
not only does God toss His children into the lake of fire
but one can be saved and unsaved 100 times in a day
never get into heaven
and still have been "saved" at some point
complete nonsense
Jesus is NOT just some prerequisite for salvation
revolving door salvation
notice
"person" no thought what-so-ever about what it means to be an adopted son or daughter of God
salvation depends on the efforts of the individual
in this mind set
not only does God toss His children into the lake of fire
but one can be saved and unsaved 100 times in a day
never get into heaven
and still have been "saved" at some point
complete nonsense
Jesus is NOT just some prerequisite for salvation
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I'm sure TT will explain what he means.
As I said in a previous post I believe everyone is invited to eat a the Lords table.
Not everyone will accept it therefore they are not saved.
Then we have those who seem to accept the invitation, yet when they do all they want is a free meal.
By that I mean they say a sinners prayer but have no intention of changing, they use it as an excuse to sin. Which Paul addressed.
On this point I feel very strongly that discipleship is needed.
What it actually means to be a follower of Jesus.
When I disciple people I do so on the basis of explaining who they are in Jesus, get some proper footings in place.
I do talk about it's not an excuse to sin, that Jesus wants us to be a shining light, do not limit God to what you want but be open to what God wants and so on.
I tell them they have the Holy Spirit in them, the helper, who helps conform us to the image of Jesus.
He speaks truth into our lives, of who we are in Jesus.
He will let us know when we sin, and when we do we have Forgiveness on account of Jesus.
People may disciple in different ways.
People get invited to church, they accept the invitation that doesn't mean they are saved though. They may stay in the church because they like affiliation.
In a sense we only have to look at Judas.
It seemed he accepted Jesus, the invite.
Would you say he was saved?
One thing I know for sure and I endeavour to do is never right anyone off.
To always be willing to walk with them should they need help.
If it is apparent they want to change and grow but are struggling to do so. Walk the walk with them.
If it becomes apparent that they have no desire to change then step back, but I would still say pray for them.
After all we have no idea what God can and will do in a person's life.
What we do need to bear in mind is that for wheat to grow or trees bear fruit is that it takes time.
I used to do the accounts for a farmer.
And he explained the process of cultivation, preparing the ground.
It's a process and hard work.
He said in his 50 years of farming he had never had a 100% crop.
He has always had to remove weeds.
For us to bear fruit, Jesus had to cultivate.
Even then we this side of eternity will never bear 100% fruit.
We also need to bear in mind the following
Mark 4:8
8 But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.”
So we have good ground with different produce.
But they are all on good ground, or should I say in good ground.
Those are my thoughts.
God bless
Bill (without the G)
As I said in a previous post I believe everyone is invited to eat a the Lords table.
Not everyone will accept it therefore they are not saved.
Then we have those who seem to accept the invitation, yet when they do all they want is a free meal.
By that I mean they say a sinners prayer but have no intention of changing, they use it as an excuse to sin. Which Paul addressed.
On this point I feel very strongly that discipleship is needed.
What it actually means to be a follower of Jesus.
When I disciple people I do so on the basis of explaining who they are in Jesus, get some proper footings in place.
I do talk about it's not an excuse to sin, that Jesus wants us to be a shining light, do not limit God to what you want but be open to what God wants and so on.
I tell them they have the Holy Spirit in them, the helper, who helps conform us to the image of Jesus.
He speaks truth into our lives, of who we are in Jesus.
He will let us know when we sin, and when we do we have Forgiveness on account of Jesus.
People may disciple in different ways.
People get invited to church, they accept the invitation that doesn't mean they are saved though. They may stay in the church because they like affiliation.
In a sense we only have to look at Judas.
It seemed he accepted Jesus, the invite.
Would you say he was saved?
One thing I know for sure and I endeavour to do is never right anyone off.
To always be willing to walk with them should they need help.
If it is apparent they want to change and grow but are struggling to do so. Walk the walk with them.
If it becomes apparent that they have no desire to change then step back, but I would still say pray for them.
After all we have no idea what God can and will do in a person's life.
What we do need to bear in mind is that for wheat to grow or trees bear fruit is that it takes time.
I used to do the accounts for a farmer.
And he explained the process of cultivation, preparing the ground.
It's a process and hard work.
He said in his 50 years of farming he had never had a 100% crop.
He has always had to remove weeds.
For us to bear fruit, Jesus had to cultivate.
Even then we this side of eternity will never bear 100% fruit.
We also need to bear in mind the following
Mark 4:8
8 But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.”
So we have good ground with different produce.
But they are all on good ground, or should I say in good ground.
Those are my thoughts.
God bless
Bill (without the G)
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But what if they forget or do not confess one sin?
Do you believe we have to confess in order to be forgiven?
If we miss a few then we are not and therefore condemned to hell.
Or do you believe confession restores the relationship and if we don't we are still saved?
Note I'm not talking here about blatant sin for which we have compulsion or no regrets about.
I believe a genuine beliver even if he sins but does not confess it is truly miserable and will have no comfort until he brings it before God.
So you don't have to ask me the question I believe it's to restore the relationship, receive the fullness and blessings of God.
It's not an excuse to sin, just saying sorry does not cut it.
So when I have sinned and not confessed it straight away, I'm not a happy chappy.
The Holy Spirit continues to prod.
I then confess and ask for help and thank God that on account of Jesus I am forgiven.
Bill
Do you believe we have to confess in order to be forgiven?
If we miss a few then we are not and therefore condemned to hell.
Or do you believe confession restores the relationship and if we don't we are still saved?
Note I'm not talking here about blatant sin for which we have compulsion or no regrets about.
I believe a genuine beliver even if he sins but does not confess it is truly miserable and will have no comfort until he brings it before God.
So you don't have to ask me the question I believe it's to restore the relationship, receive the fullness and blessings of God.
It's not an excuse to sin, just saying sorry does not cut it.
So when I have sinned and not confessed it straight away, I'm not a happy chappy.
The Holy Spirit continues to prod.
I then confess and ask for help and thank God that on account of Jesus I am forgiven.
Bill
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Both bolded quotes are based upon complete ignorance....wow man.....you have both a lot to learn and heaps to unlearn.............for one thing, the words of Paul are the words of JESUS unless NOTED by Paul.....and the last one is a joke...The Jews were temporarily cut off because of the exact opposite of what you say....and so salvation could come to the Gentiles...NOW in Christ their is NEITHER, but a NEW Creation and the TWO (both JEWS and Gentiles) have become ONE (1)
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romans 4
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
praise God!
man the scriptures cut right through these lies and false gospels like butter every time
people can try to twist the word
(usually so blind they actually believe they are correct)
but for those with eyes to see....
the errors are very easy to notice
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
praise God!
man the scriptures cut right through these lies and false gospels like butter every time
people can try to twist the word
(usually so blind they actually believe they are correct)
but for those with eyes to see....
the errors are very easy to notice
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