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You must have misunderstood my view on telos... I was saying the oppisite of what you are saying. It means end goal not end as in over...
and I laughed because I never even hinted at what you imply and ask of me, we have gone through thise before, and I showed that it is a falsehood, that when anyone says the Law is not abolished or that we should be obedient it isthe battle cry of the antinomian to accuse, impy or suppoe that said person is teaching "justification by works"
NONESENSE... was my statement about hypergrace and legalisim being ditches and the teachings of Messiah neing a mountian not telling? No because you want to paint you view of me over my words just as you out your commentary in my name in the prior post.
Yahshua is the way. Yahshua is the salvation of YHWH. That is what His name means and that is the reality.
Here this is Scripture:
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”
John 8:24, “Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”
Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."
and I laughed because I never even hinted at what you imply and ask of me, we have gone through thise before, and I showed that it is a falsehood, that when anyone says the Law is not abolished or that we should be obedient it isthe battle cry of the antinomian to accuse, impy or suppoe that said person is teaching "justification by works"
NONESENSE... was my statement about hypergrace and legalisim being ditches and the teachings of Messiah neing a mountian not telling? No because you want to paint you view of me over my words just as you out your commentary in my name in the prior post.
Yahshua is the way. Yahshua is the salvation of YHWH. That is what His name means and that is the reality.
Here this is Scripture:
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”
John 8:24, “Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”
Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."
I'm not painting any view by asking you a question. If I didn't ask you a question and assumed, I would be painting a view of you. A goal is the end outcome of a game of sport. We play the game to get goals.
Our daily life is to accomplish goals. Once the goal is done, we move to the next one.
The Law lead us to Christ. So that we would be lead by Him directly.
The just live by faith. And works reveal that faith. And the works are loving one another. The Law of liberty is freedom to love one another.
Gal 5:13 For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love.
Our daily life is to accomplish goals. Once the goal is done, we move to the next one.
The Law lead us to Christ. So that we would be lead by Him directly.
The just live by faith. And works reveal that faith. And the works are loving one another. The Law of liberty is freedom to love one another.
Gal 5:13 For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love.
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and why does love grow cold? because the condition of without law... can you explain the meaning of this verse to me?
Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G045
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Well all things are Lawful right?
Isayah 5:20, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!”
1 Corinthians 10:23, "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
Do you accept the words of the Messiah in the gospels and Revelation as inspired and to be followed by gentile followers of the Most High?
Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G045
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Well all things are Lawful right?
Isayah 5:20, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!”
1 Corinthians 10:23, "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
Do you accept the words of the Messiah in the gospels and Revelation as inspired and to be followed by gentile followers of the Most High?
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1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
"commands" is word #G1785 - entolé: an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
yet those crying love deny His Law/Commands...
1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
then they say ONLY beleive, howver this ignores the 2 greatset Commandsments given by the Messiah AND rejects any doing of what the Messiah says...
This is grace perversion, destroying all the words of the MEssiah and any following of Him in the guise of "grace" and if you do what He says you are "fallen from grace"
John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
John 14:23-24, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
"commands" is word #G1785 - entolé: an injunction, order, command
Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
yet those crying love deny His Law/Commands...
1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
then they say ONLY beleive, howver this ignores the 2 greatset Commandsments given by the Messiah AND rejects any doing of what the Messiah says...
This is grace perversion, destroying all the words of the MEssiah and any following of Him in the guise of "grace" and if you do what He says you are "fallen from grace"
John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
John 14:23-24, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
what i mean is this:
if the argument is that no part of the Law is removed because 'not one jot or tittle' -- then the priesthood isn't changed, because that changes the Law, and by changing it, removes jots and tittles. changing the requirement for man to bring bulls and goats and doves to the sons of Aaron also removes jots and tittles. yes, Jesus is become our high priest forever -- but in order for this to occur the Law must be changed. jots and tittles must be removed. the Law says offer the blood of animals -- if His blood was offered and accepted forever, it is according to an unchanged Law of Moses with no yodh removed?
Whatever is set aside from the holy offerings the Israelites present to the Lord I give to you and your sons and daughters as your perpetual share. It is an everlasting covenant of salt before the Lord for both you and your offspring.
(Numbers 18:19)
in order for the priesthood to be changed, the jots and tittles of the Law that give the priesthood to the sons of Aaron -- in an everlasting covenant of salt -- had to somehow be removed. (Numbers 18:19)
if the argument is that no part of the Law is removed because 'not one jot or tittle' -- then the priesthood isn't changed, because that changes the Law, and by changing it, removes jots and tittles. changing the requirement for man to bring bulls and goats and doves to the sons of Aaron also removes jots and tittles. yes, Jesus is become our high priest forever -- but in order for this to occur the Law must be changed. jots and tittles must be removed. the Law says offer the blood of animals -- if His blood was offered and accepted forever, it is according to an unchanged Law of Moses with no yodh removed?
Amen and the law had two purposes under the sun...
a. Condemn the world and all men as guilty
b. Point to the only cure-->JESUS
No man keeps it, has kept it, will keep it except JESUS. Break one of the least of the commandments = guilty of the whole.
When one sees his guilt, acknowledges Christ by faith and has the blood and righteousness of Christ applied and imputed by faith, the law has worked it's purpose and that person has been born again spiritually from above by the Spirit and with incorruptible seed. They are no longer bound under and or guilty by the law.
The righteousness of Christ has been imputed without the works/deeds of the law........we have been set FREE fro the bondage of sin and guilt of the law.
The law is for the LAWLESS<---the LOST.....NOT SAVED born again believers.....................
CHRIST is the end of the LAW for RIGHTEOUSNESS<----this statement speaks VOLUMES!
a. Condemn the world and all men as guilty
b. Point to the only cure-->JESUS
No man keeps it, has kept it, will keep it except JESUS. Break one of the least of the commandments = guilty of the whole.
When one sees his guilt, acknowledges Christ by faith and has the blood and righteousness of Christ applied and imputed by faith, the law has worked it's purpose and that person has been born again spiritually from above by the Spirit and with incorruptible seed. They are no longer bound under and or guilty by the law.
The righteousness of Christ has been imputed without the works/deeds of the law........we have been set FREE fro the bondage of sin and guilt of the law.
The law is for the LAWLESS<---the LOST.....NOT SAVED born again believers.....................
CHRIST is the end of the LAW for RIGHTEOUSNESS<----this statement speaks VOLUMES!
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What about practical righteousness, day to day living? While righteousness, in and of ourselves, doesn't save us, what part does holiness play in our walk? I've noticed a small backlash, from different people, when any discussion of victory over sin is discussed. Its instantly assumed that sinless perfectionism is in mind. To what degree do we truly have victory over sin, not only in terms of being justified and not condemned, but in action?
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Called sanctification and it is an ongoing process based upon maturity and the application of the word of God with successes, failures, set backs and fully based upon the transformation found in Romans 12:1-2...it has nothing to do with attempting to keep that which is beyond the ability to be kept....and is summed up in love God and love each other and do right by both.
see but the judeaizers make up this 3rd option, that one has to keep the Law and the Sabbath and the festivals and the dietary laws and not celebrate Christmas and Easter and ……...
they reject the idea of only 2 ways ( perfectly keep the law or accept Christ and His Righteousness ), and make up something else.
which they bounce around and play word games and use smokescreens and misdirection tactics to defend their man-made religion.
notice how many of us give the same consistent truth- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
compare that to their shifting sands , and it is no contest.
they reject the idea of only 2 ways ( perfectly keep the law or accept Christ and His Righteousness ), and make up something else.
which they bounce around and play word games and use smokescreens and misdirection tactics to defend their man-made religion.
notice how many of us give the same consistent truth- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
compare that to their shifting sands , and it is no contest.
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how could i forget when i am ever in my time of need for Him? 
((and i'm glad you remind me))
the priesthood of Levi, their duties, and the requirement of the people to bring to Levi the sacrifices and the tithes are part of the jots and the tittles.
((and i'm glad you remind me))
the priesthood of Levi, their duties, and the requirement of the people to bring to Levi the sacrifices and the tithes are part of the jots and the tittles.
According to the "Author of my Salvation", the Priesthood of Levi is gone because the Word which became Flesh said it would be gone.
He writes the Torah on His people's hearts now, He forgives our sins with His own blood. No more Levite Priests to administer His Words, no more animal sacrifice and ceremonies to cleanse sins. A new Priesthood just as jots and tittles foretold.
So the Priesthood of Levi is gone BECAUSE of the Jot's and Tittles. It's in your Bible.
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
We have always been under the "Covenant of Grace".
Gen. 6:
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
The Covenant that was changed had to do with how this Grace was applied.
The Old Covenant, through Moses, required that a man must go through Levite Priests who then perform Sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" for the cleansing of our past sins.
The New Covenant through the Creator of Moses, required that a man must go through the Messiah spoken of in the Law and Prophets, no longer through the Priesthood of Levi.
Although I agree that the "Covenant of Grace" was ushered in by the Christ, it must be recognized that this Christ "created all things" and that it was the Christ who spoke to Cain.
Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? (Grace) and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
It was the Christ who spoke to Abram.
Gen. 12:
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, (Grace) and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;
It was the Christ who spoke to Issac
Gen. 26:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (Receive Grace)
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
6 And Isaac dwelt in Gerar:
We are warned about "another voice", "another Messiah" that didn't give Grace until thousands of years later. But if a person sticks with the Word, and not all those "other voices" with their own religious traditions, we will be able to endure.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Gen. 6:
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
The Covenant that was changed had to do with how this Grace was applied.
The Old Covenant, through Moses, required that a man must go through Levite Priests who then perform Sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" for the cleansing of our past sins.
The New Covenant through the Creator of Moses, required that a man must go through the Messiah spoken of in the Law and Prophets, no longer through the Priesthood of Levi.
Although I agree that the "Covenant of Grace" was ushered in by the Christ, it must be recognized that this Christ "created all things" and that it was the Christ who spoke to Cain.
Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? (Grace) and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
It was the Christ who spoke to Abram.
Gen. 12:
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, (Grace) and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;
It was the Christ who spoke to Issac
Gen. 26:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (Receive Grace)
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
6 And Isaac dwelt in Gerar:
We are warned about "another voice", "another Messiah" that didn't give Grace until thousands of years later. But if a person sticks with the Word, and not all those "other voices" with their own religious traditions, we will be able to endure.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
No, we have not always been under the covenant of grace.......and it does no good to engage a man whose pupils are tattooed with a skewed view of the law.......
The LAW (OLD COVENANT) was given through MOSES; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ (NEW COVENANT)
Your comment goes beyond ridiculous!
The LAW (OLD COVENANT) was given through MOSES; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ (NEW COVENANT)
Your comment goes beyond ridiculous!
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So then how is the Priest Hood, (the everlasting Law) changed? Like you say, it is not changed it is replaced with a "New and better Covenant. The Law is fulfilled in Christ not changed and, I reckon "yodh" means "Law"
What is the "Law of Christ: The answer is;
Galatians 6:2, “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the "Law of Christ."
The Law was not removed it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ our High Priest.
Mark12:32,33
"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.
33) and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”…
Apostle Paul say's he is not free from God's Law but under, "Christ Law"
1Corinthians9:20,22
19) Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20) To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21) To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law, so as to win those not having the law. 22) To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23) I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
God bless!
What is the "Law of Christ: The answer is;
Galatians 6:2, “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the "Law of Christ."
The Law was not removed it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ our High Priest.
Mark12:32,33
"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.
33) and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”…
Apostle Paul say's he is not free from God's Law but under, "Christ Law"
1Corinthians9:20,22
19) Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20) To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21) To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law, so as to win those not having the law. 22) To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23) I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
God bless!
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