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EleventhHour

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@OneOfHis ... I am thinking @Elihoenai is trolling this tread.

I do not think he is at all serious ... just looking to distract and sow discord, or trying to be funny by being contrary.
 

OneOfHis

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@OneOfHis ... I am thinking @Elihoenai is trolling this tread.

I do not think he is at all serious ... just looking to distract and sow discord, or trying to be funny by being contrary.

Yaaa the " illuminati, sex is evil even in marriage if not to have a child" sort of talk made me think the same.


That followed with the sinless perfection would either make him decieved or just a troll...

His first post in this thread was suspect too.
 
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Yaaa the " illuminati, sex is evil even in marriage if not to have a child" sort of talk made me think the same.


That followed with the sinless perfection would either make him decieved or just a troll...

His first post in this thread was suspect too.
I envision maybe someone in high schooler or a bit older thinking he is so clever trying to make a parody of Christians and there beliefs.
 
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EleventhHour

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Oh my goodness I am not going to get anything done today... isn't that hilarious... I can't stop laughing!!
 

Lightskin

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You must do Works under the law to be Saved!


Galatians 3:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the law so that anyone who has faith in Him has by default fulfilled the law as well. Grace is a wonderful attribute of God. I encourage you to embrace it.

On another note, you’ve totally misconstrued the scripture you supplied.
 

Lightskin

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Matthew 5:48 King James Version (KJV)

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Elohim/God wants transformation according to the image of his Sinless and Perfect Son Yeshua/Jesus. You must be Sinless and Perfect!
You’re not perfect so what’s going to be your excuse come judgment day?
 

Lightskin

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there you go- sinless perfectionism .

have not had one of you garbage pushers on here in a while, you are just another cult deceiver, nothing special, nothing new under the sun..
It’s funny how all these sociopathic perfectionists quote Matthew 5:48, “be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect” but they never, ever, ever, ever, ever quote Luke 6:36, “be merciful, just as your Father in Heaven is merciful.” Exact same stories from two different versions of the Gospel.
 
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And yet you’re here. Interesting.
I'm referring to how others responded to a post I made, attacking me for merely agreeing with @Judges1318 for a point he made.

@OneOfHis and @Tellion both stated I was siding with him, only for @OneOfHis to admit later after attacking, that he agrees with evidence of conversion, which is what @Judges1318 was espousing, and to which I gave a like.

Instead of taking time to actually read, they attack. Instead of using rational thought that merely agreeing with a point made by someone doesn't mean "siding with them" in their doctrine, attack.

Several other juveniles on here joined their callow assault, making baseless out of context conclusions. That's what I'm referring to, and it is juvenile behavior.

That's what you all do in this thread, correct? Join in baseless attacks on others, then join together for the ungodly behavior? Attack a person instead of addressing their beliefs biblically as opponents of truth? Yes, this thread is dedicated to that exact behavior.

Not one of these people has the integrity or manhood to step away from their party and say "Hey, you were right, sorry for my behavior. I slowed down with my anger and knee jerk reaction and read what you really said" No, no, that cannot happen. Instead it's the juvenile ridicule, lack of wanting the truth of the matter. It is ungodly and unChristian. This is why I don't put much weight in their responses in this manner, I read them and move along, but I did address them in this instance only to see them do the same old thing as always.
 
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Judges falsely said we should have assurance from our works opposed to Gods works in us.
Uh, no.
You don't have the love of God in you by nature.
There is no such thing as your works of godly love.

4Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me." - John 15:4

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"8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples." - John 15:8
 
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EleventhHour

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I'm referring to how others responded to a post I made, attacking me for merely agreeing with @Judges1318 for a point he made.

@OneOfHis and @Tellion both stated I was siding with him, only for @OneOfHis to admit later after attacking, that he agrees with evidence of conversion, which is what @Judges1318 was espousing, and to which I gave a like.

Instead of taking time to actually read, they attack. Instead of using rational thought that merely agreeing with a point made by someone doesn't mean "siding with them" in their doctrine, attack.

Several other juveniles on here joined their callow assault, making baseless out of context conclusions. That's what I'm referring to, and it is juvenile behavior.

That's what you all do in this thread, correct? Join in baseless attacks on others, then join together for the ungodly behavior? Attack a person instead of addressing their beliefs biblically as opponents of truth? Yes, this thread is dedicated to that exact behavior.

Not one of these people has the integrity or manhood to step away from their party and say "Hey, you were right, sorry for my behavior. I slowed down with my anger and knee jerk reaction and read what you really said" No, no, that cannot happen. Instead it's the juvenile ridicule, lack of wanting the truth of the matter. It is ungodly and unChristian. This is why I don't put much weight in their responses in this manner, I read them and move along, but I did address them in this instance only to see them do the same old thing as always.
I would really like to know if you agree with Judges that we look to our own good works to affirm we are saved?
 
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EleventhHour

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We are saved by grace and get our assurance from Gods promises and know we are His by His works in us.

Amen and Amen


We do not look to ourselves for assurance of salvation as some high profile teachers like to teach!

What a terrible thing to lay on a believer when we have the promises and the word of God to assure us.
 

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The explanation I have gotten from asking that very same question was

Many are called means many hear the Gospel
Few are chosen means of the many who hear the few are the elect who end up believing and are saved.

This is the explanation I have heard, not here to defend Calvinism, just giving the explanation I have heard.

The Explanation is SIMPLE, to what does this mean; MANY are called, but few are chosen?

It is Literally the Parable of the GATES.

Every One on those TWO Roads is a Disciple, a follower of Jesus Christ. That is all Disciple means.

FEW ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN THO.

The MANY think their DEEDS, earned them a ticket to Heaven.


Matthew 7:13-23 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and
few find it.
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
{,Come to HIM Repentant, Seeking SALVATION, Totally dependent on HIS GRACE and HIS MERCY; and Agape LOVE HIM enough, HE is #1, more than your spouse, more than others, and more than Self.}
22 On that day
many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ {.NOTICE: The MANY think their DEEDS earned them the right to go to Heaven.}
23 Then I will announce to them,
I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
{
.They never established that inner, personal, AGAPE LOVE relationship that is BORN AGAIN. Therefore they will be Judged by Deeds.}

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.

Romans 3:12 (HCSB)
12 All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one.

James 2:10 (HCSB)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of ⌊breaking it⌋ all.


DEEDS will NEVER earn a Ticket to HEAVEN, NOT EVEN PART OF IT!