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as i see it what you're talking about is after surrendering, e.g. Colossians 1:29 'striving according to His working which works in me mightily' or Hebrews 1:24 'striving against sin'
in the context of surrender, it is very simply laying down ones arms. conceding defeat. putting no more effort into resistance. this is an entirely passive act: it is the changing from active to passive. a soldier who is engaged in the act of surrender to his enemy is dropping his weapons and raising his arms in the air, doing nothing but offering himself as a captor & waiting for what his erstwhile opponent will do with him. it is effectually an implicit plea for mercy.
one who shows an open hand in this way ((rather than a fist)) may afterwards strive in what is required of him by his new master, but that isn't the act of surrender but a consequence of it.
i do not agree with this in the way it is stated.
in the very moment i put away my sword, i have surrendered.
if i only feint - as though if Obi-Wan had pretended to drop his guard only to coerce Vader into committing to a certain strike, which he planned to parry and counter, then i have not actually 'surrendered'
Obi-Wan here truly surrenders, and it is over in an instant; the instant in which he does not move to block Vader's imminent fendente.
in the context of surrender, it is very simply laying down ones arms. conceding defeat. putting no more effort into resistance. this is an entirely passive act: it is the changing from active to passive. a soldier who is engaged in the act of surrender to his enemy is dropping his weapons and raising his arms in the air, doing nothing but offering himself as a captor & waiting for what his erstwhile opponent will do with him. it is effectually an implicit plea for mercy.
one who shows an open hand in this way ((rather than a fist)) may afterwards strive in what is required of him by his new master, but that isn't the act of surrender but a consequence of it.
i do not agree with this in the way it is stated.
in the very moment i put away my sword, i have surrendered.
if i only feint - as though if Obi-Wan had pretended to drop his guard only to coerce Vader into committing to a certain strike, which he planned to parry and counter, then i have not actually 'surrendered'
Obi-Wan here truly surrenders, and it is over in an instant; the instant in which he does not move to block Vader's imminent fendente.
in this case willing) slave to the one surrendered to.
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i think that's where your understanding is clashing with that of some of the other people here -- i would call those acts of servitude that follow a result of surrender, not the act of surrender -- but i get the relationship you're drawing out 
a person who refuses the orders of the military they've surrendered to, or who tries to escape, or who tries to sabotage that army somehow once they've been taken captive, isn't truly 'surrendered' - not in their heart - they haven't given up the war but only one segment of a battle.
a person who refuses the orders of the military they've surrendered to, or who tries to escape, or who tries to sabotage that army somehow once they've been taken captive, isn't truly 'surrendered' - not in their heart - they haven't given up the war but only one segment of a battle.
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i think that's where your understanding is clashing with that of some of the other people here -- i would call those acts of servitude that follow a result of surrender, not the act of surrender -- but i get the relationship you're drawing out
a person who refuses the orders of the military they've surrendered to, or who tries to escape, or who tries to sabotage that army somehow once they've been taken captive, isn't truly 'surrendered' - not in their heart - they haven't given up the war but only one segment of a battle.
a person who refuses the orders of the military they've surrendered to, or who tries to escape, or who tries to sabotage that army somehow once they've been taken captive, isn't truly 'surrendered' - not in their heart - they haven't given up the war but only one segment of a battle.
And like I said, a daily surrender isn't a perfect surrender, but a surrender being perfected.
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God is perfect and only a perfect sacrifice will do and that perfect sacrifice is JESUS CHRIST
I suggest humbling yourself before God and accept Him .. and get over your yourself and this delusion of perfect surrender that requires nothing in return.
No one has the capacity to be that selfless >>> only Jesus
I suggest humbling yourself before God and accept Him .. and get over your yourself and this delusion of perfect surrender that requires nothing in return.
No one has the capacity to be that selfless >>> only Jesus
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Did you mean Virginia?
In the 20th century during Prohibition, local wits named Franklin County the "Moonshine Capital of the World", as moonshine production and bootlegging drove the economy.
Named for: Benjamin Franklin
Largest town: Rocky Mount
State: Virginia
Franklin County, Virginia - Wikipedia
In the 20th century during Prohibition, local wits named Franklin County the "Moonshine Capital of the World", as moonshine production and bootlegging drove the economy.
Named for: Benjamin Franklin
Largest town: Rocky Mount
State: Virginia
Franklin County, Virginia - Wikipedia
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Did you mean Virginia?
In the 20th century during Prohibition, local wits named Franklin County the "Moonshine Capital of the World", as moonshine production and bootlegging drove the economy.
Named for: Benjamin Franklin
Largest town: Rocky Mount
State: Virginia
Franklin County, Virginia - Wikipedia
In the 20th century during Prohibition, local wits named Franklin County the "Moonshine Capital of the World", as moonshine production and bootlegging drove the economy.
Named for: Benjamin Franklin
Largest town: Rocky Mount
State: Virginia
Franklin County, Virginia - Wikipedia
Lol now watch him try to explain how he is actually correct and re-interpret maps.....
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