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BillG

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Hi all.

Prayers please.

Today I was diagnosed with glaucoma.
It's secondary as as result of pigment dispersion syndrome.
Quite rare but can be aggressive.

It seems for me it is aggressive, mainly in the left eye but not the right eye.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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She's completely lost while pretending she isn't... like so many Christians. But unlike many of them, she realizes how dishonest she is and doubles down on it. Her little cronies pat her back with all the meaningless typing the do while the Kingdom of God is elsewhere.
You should take up comedy......
 
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The
Wrong...I only report what I know to be Truth

I know salvation is not by works, cannot be achieved, earned, attained, rewarded, lost, forsaken, revoked, returned, abandoned, misplaced, added to,

It is a gift given in a moment in time.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Ephesians 2:8
These fools will find out soon enough....and by then too late....
 

VCO

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"You" made mental decisions a work when you accuse surrender to Christ being works salvation! Now when you make a decision to believe it's Not a work. You really expect anyone including yourself to buy that?

WORKS ARE DEEDS YOU THINK CAN GAIN YOU SALVATION, OR TO MAINTAIN IT, PERIOD.

Decisions are NOT WORKS! Here is the PROOF.


Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is 8what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 🖜 When you come to HIM, grieving over your Utter Sinfulness, And
>>>>>>>>>> Willingly surrender to HIM, wanting HIM to Run your Life, out of Pure AGAPE LOVE, then you are Born Again. <<<<<<<<<<<


15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN, TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Obedience has never been part of SALVATION, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE AGAPE LOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom.5:5.

Spiritual Decisions do not happen in the mind between the EARS.

Spiritual Decisions happen in the Heart or the Born Again Human Spirit as we Walk with Christ, NOT IN THE HUMAN BRAIN.
 

VCO

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She's completely lost while pretending she isn't... like so many Christians. But unlike many of them, she realizes how dishonest she is and doubles down on it. Her little cronies pat her back with all the meaningless typing the do while the Kingdom of God is elsewhere.

I AM QUITE SURE that YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question: "Explain Born Again, in your own WORDS, and I am not asking you to quote Scripture?"

When you made the ABOVE POST, you had to have been LOOKING IN A MIRROR AT YOURSELF.
 

OneOfHis

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Hi all.

Prayers please.

Today I was diagnosed with glaucoma.
It's secondary as as result of pigment dispersion syndrome.
Quite rare but can be aggressive.

It seems for me it is aggressive, mainly in the left eye but not the right eye.
I'm sorry Bill....:(

I'll be praying for you brother
 
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Pisteuo

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WORKS ARE DEEDS YOU THINK CAN GAIN YOU SALVATION, OR TO MAINTAIN IT, PERIOD.

Decisions are NOT WORKS! Here is the PROOF.


Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is 8what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in

words taught by the Spirit
, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 🖜 When you come to HIM, grieving over your Utter Sinfulness, And
>>>>>>>>>> Willingly surrender to HIM, wanting HIM to Run your Life, out of Pure AGAPE LOVE, then you are Born Again. <<<<<<<<<<<


15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN, TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Obedience has never been part of SALVATION, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE AGAPE LOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom.5:5.

Spiritual Decisions do not happen in the mind between the EARS.

Spiritual Decisions happen in the Heart or the Born Again Human Spirit as we Walk with Christ, NOT IN THE HUMAN BRAIN.
WORKS ARE DEEDS YOU THINK CAN GAIN YOU SALVATION, OR TO MAINTAIN IT, PERIOD.

Decisions are NOT WORKS! Here is the PROOF.


Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is 8what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 🖜 When you come to HIM, grieving over your Utter Sinfulness, And
>>>>>>>>>> Willingly surrender to HIM, wanting HIM to Run your Life, out of Pure AGAPE LOVE, then you are Born Again. <<<<<<<<<<<


15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN, TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Obedience has never been part of SALVATION, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE AGAPE LOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom.5:5.

Spiritual Decisions do not happen in the mind between the EARS.

Spiritual Decisions happen in the Heart or the Born Again Human Spirit as we Walk with Christ, NOT IN THE HUMAN BRAIN.
Learn to read. Surrender is a decision .
 

OneOfHis

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I wonder how a person who is completely lost pretend they are not?

I mean since they are completely lost how would they know any different?:unsure:

You are responding to one of the very few people on my ignore list. I had to click that button to see....

You shouldn't pay much mind to people who blatantly HATE the truth and attack those who trust in Christ opposed to self.

It's like trying to reason with an angry wasp.... better just to let it be (or let it bee😁)
 
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EleventhHour

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You are responding to one of the very few people on my ignore list. I had to click that button to see....

You shouldn't pay much mind to people who blatantly HATE the truth and attack those who trust in Christ opposed to self.

It's like trying to reason with an angry wasp.... better just to let it be (or let it bee😁)
Such a good analogy ... I consider the source.
 
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Pisteuo

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WORKS ARE DEEDS YOU THINK CAN GAIN YOU SALVATION, OR TO MAINTAIN IT, PERIOD.

Decisions are NOT WORKS! Here is the PROOF.


Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is 8what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 🖜 When you come to HIM, grieving over your Utter Sinfulness, And
>>>>>>>>>> Willingly surrender to HIM, wanting HIM to Run your Life, out of Pure AGAPE LOVE, then you are Born Again. <<<<<<<<<<<


15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN, TO EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Obedience has never been part of SALVATION, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE AGAPE LOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom.5:5.

Spiritual Decisions do not happen in the mind between the EARS.

Spiritual Decisions happen in the Heart or the Born Again Human Spirit as we Walk with Christ, NOT IN THE HUMAN BRAIN.
So" believe and recieve" is done so that one can have Eternal life and still serve yourself, that's Spiritual .

Surrendering our lives to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender, that's not Spiritual?
 

Lightskin

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Oh I understand belief. It's a noun, whos corresponding verb is believing!

Unlike Faith, a noun who's corresponding verb is, oh wait , there isn't one!
The corresponding verb to faith that doesn’t exist is not needed. You’re welcome.
 
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Pisteuo

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The corresponding verb to faith that doesn’t exist is not needed. You’re welcome.
Thanks, keep me posted on any other factual changes you and your flock are making on the fly.

Strong's: "pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

Vines : " pisteuo is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

I'll inform Strong's and Vines their wrong! But if they ask who you guys are and what your qualifications are as linguists and in Greek scholarship, I can't answer that. What are your qualifications to suggest the Strong's and Vines are incorrect?
 

mailmandan

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She's completely lost while pretending she isn't... like so many Christians. But unlike many of them, she realizes how dishonest she is and doubles down on it. Her little cronies pat her back with all the meaningless typing the do while the Kingdom of God is elsewhere.
"Completely lost Christian" is an OXYMORON. :cautious:
 

OneOfHis

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Thanks, keep me posted on any other factual changes you and your flock are making on the fly.

Strong's: "pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

Vines : " pisteuo is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

I'll inform Strong's and Vines their wrong! But if they ask who you guys are and what your qualifications are as linguists and in Greek scholarship, I can't answer that. What are your qualifications to suggest the Strong's and Vines are incorrect?
4100. pisteuó
Strong's Concordance
pisteuó: to believe, entrust​
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Definition: to believe, entrust
Usage: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

4100 pisteúō (from 4102 /pístis, "faith," derived from 3982 /peíthō, "persuade, be persuaded") – believe (affirm, have confidence); used of persuading oneself (= human believing) and with the sacred significance of being persuaded by the Lord (= faith-believing). Only the context indicates whether 4100 /pisteúō ("believe") is self-serving (without sacred meaning), or the believing that leads to/proceeds from God's inbirthing of faith.


4102. pistis
Strong's Concordance
pistis: faith, faithfulness​
Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Definition: faith, faithfulness
Usage: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.

4102 pístis (from 3982/peithô, "persuade, be persuaded") – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust); faith.
Faith (4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, 4102/pistis ("faith") for the believer is "God's divine persuasion" – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).





You're not even close.​
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am thinking I have stuck a nerve with you?

Only those working to earn what has already been achieved are lost according to scripture.


Why do people with a false gospel always harp on same single shrill note.. "keep believing to be saved, "continual surrendered life to be saved" "the kingdom of God and my salvation is my work"

I am not lost because I believe what God tells me.....you on the other hand believe yourself.

He has saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5
That’s because the law has not yet trained them to prove to them how sinful they are, like the pharisees, they think they are ok, because they do not know God
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hi all.

Prayers please.

Today I was diagnosed with glaucoma.
It's secondary as as result of pigment dispersion syndrome.
Quite rare but can be aggressive.

It seems for me it is aggressive, mainly in the left eye but not the right eye.
Prayers bro!
 

Tellion

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Hi all.

Prayers please.

Today I was diagnosed with glaucoma.
It's secondary as as result of pigment dispersion syndrome.
Quite rare but can be aggressive.

It seems for me it is aggressive, mainly in the left eye but not the right eye.
You got'em.