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Amen Rose....only a satanically inspired man would warn people to disregard the gospel of John!
Guest and young children looking in on this forum , read The Gospel of John , and seek the gems that God has waiting there for you...
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@Pisteuo ? Here you go for your error that "no one believes in Jesus for eternal life:"
But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. 1 Timothy 1:16
There are many more texts that declare this Gospel which refutes yours. It is noted you ignore and will not respond to biblical proofs against your teachings. You're against what the Spirit of God has spoken.
By your own admittance you do not believe, you don't believe the above. @lightbearer is in the same boat preaches the same false gospel, and displays the same insulting behavior you do.
But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. 1 Timothy 1:16
There are many more texts that declare this Gospel which refutes yours. It is noted you ignore and will not respond to biblical proofs against your teachings. You're against what the Spirit of God has spoken.
By your own admittance you do not believe, you don't believe the above. @lightbearer is in the same boat preaches the same false gospel, and displays the same insulting behavior you do.
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ESV
Matthew 21:22
22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”
NKJV
Matthew 21:22
22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
If you look at the Greek for faith/believing the strongs word is Pisteou.
Yet word per strongs does not mention or intimate the phrase "personal surrender"
That is the sticking point for him I think.
If memory serves me Pisteou is derived from the word Pistis which basically means
Definition
to believe, entrust
NASB Translation
believe (118), believed (73), believers (3), believes (29), believing (10), do (1), entrust (1), entrusted (6), entrusting (1), has faith (1).
Pisteou
: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
If the definition of the above does not meet the criteria of what he has been taught then it will be rejected.
Given the verses you quoted above does either conclude personal surrender?
If not then it's Pisteou as he understands it, that being the case then personal surrender means something different.
Matthew 21:22
22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”
NKJV
Matthew 21:22
22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
If you look at the Greek for faith/believing the strongs word is Pisteou.
Yet word per strongs does not mention or intimate the phrase "personal surrender"
That is the sticking point for him I think.
If memory serves me Pisteou is derived from the word Pistis which basically means
Definition
to believe, entrust
NASB Translation
believe (118), believed (73), believers (3), believes (29), believing (10), do (1), entrust (1), entrusted (6), entrusting (1), has faith (1).
Pisteou
: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
If the definition of the above does not meet the criteria of what he has been taught then it will be rejected.
Given the verses you quoted above does either conclude personal surrender?
If not then it's Pisteou as he understands it, that being the case then personal surrender means something different.
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If you were to ask me, based on the wording the serpent tempted Eve because she most likely heard from Adam to not eat from it.. Eve was created after Adam was warned.
Most likely at some point Adam added an additional rule to not even touch it, I would imagine the serpent first proved touching it was not dangerous then claimed it was good to eat.
Adam was not decieved when he ate. Eve was.
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gen 2
16And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
gen 3
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Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
1 tim 2
"And Adam was not deceived"
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Thing is, you couldn't prove me wrong or right and your whole point is silly and worthless in regards to how we become Gods children and how He saves us.
Using a rabbit hole like this is weak.
How can you formulate theories from your own brain and reasoning while also acting as if scripture can't stand on it's own.
Most likely at some point Adam added an additional rule to not even touch it, I would imagine the serpent first proved touching it was not dangerous then claimed it was good to eat.
Adam was not decieved when he ate. Eve was.
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gen 2
16And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
gen 3
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Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
1 tim 2
"And Adam was not deceived"
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Thing is, you couldn't prove me wrong or right and your whole point is silly and worthless in regards to how we become Gods children and how He saves us.
Using a rabbit hole like this is weak.
How can you formulate theories from your own brain and reasoning while also acting as if scripture can't stand on it's own.
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Because he knew that if he tempted Adam he wouldn't have gotten Eve. So he tempted Eve because he knew if he got Eve, he would get Adam also.
This understanding is based on many facts coming from 65 years, and my 33 years of the highest level of teaching the Christian world has ever known.
An accumulation of evidence that shows God's ways, and Lucifer's ways also. Not really anything that can be explained in a post, you have to do the 100 years of leg work. And be having the true NT born again experience by Grace through the surrendering of our lives to Him and live a life inspired by such surrender.
This understanding is based on many facts coming from 65 years, and my 33 years of the highest level of teaching the Christian world has ever known.
An accumulation of evidence that shows God's ways, and Lucifer's ways also. Not really anything that can be explained in a post, you have to do the 100 years of leg work. And be having the true NT born again experience by Grace through the surrendering of our lives to Him and live a life inspired by such surrender.
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