Not By Works

[VCO]

This is exactly my dispute. It is not Christ's righteousness that we are reckoned with. It is not His obedience vicariously transfered to us. Our faith is reckoned as righteousness because through that faith He will teach us righteousness. We are healed, not vindicated, by the stripes of Christ.

OH, Now I see, YOU DO NOT ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG. You just FLIP-FLOP Your Statement, and PRETEND that is what you meant in the first place. LOL, You would have made a perfect Democratic Politician.

Do you know that you have made MUTIPLE accusations about OSAS BELIEFS, and not one thing has been ACCURATE, according to OUR actual BELIEFS. Doesn't it bother you that you are spreading FALSEHOODS? What does GOD say about Lying ? ? ?

 

[mailmandan]

I'm not sure whether there's a theological concept for it or not. All I know is that the righteousness worked in us is in fact righteousness and not the mere accounting of righteousness.

Are you talking about ongoing sanctification? (Philippians 2:12-13)

 

[Bbrdrd]

God told adam not to do something and if he did he will die

was Adam so flawed he could not understand no means no?

and if so, how can God pronounce judgment on adam if Adam had no possible understanding of no means no? Is God an unfair God.?

or did a God say adam, you can eat of every tree. But this one, you can not earn or you will die

when Adam did what he KNEW was wrong, did Adam not die?

Hence the law, so man would have conception of his guilt. Romans 5 makes this clear, sin reigned without knowledge. The penalty is not God's judgment but a natural consequence of sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hence the law, so man would have conception of his guilt. Romans 5 makes this clear, sin reigned without knowledge. The penalty is not God's judgment but a natural consequence of sin.

Um

i am not talking physical death

i am talking spiritual death,

adam died the moment he sinned, at that point he needed born again,

physical death did. not occur until 9 centuries later

yrs, physical death is a natural occura ce as a consequence of sin, but spiritual death, the penalty of sin, is a judgment pronounced for all who sin.
again, the penalty/ wage of sin is death

you appear to keep ignoring this passage, please ignore it no more,

 

[Bbrdrd]

Um

i am not talking physical death

i am talking spiritual death,

adam died the moment he sinned, at that point he needed born again,

physical death did. not occur until 9 centuries later

yrs, physical death is a natural occura ce as a consequence of sin, but spiritual death, the penalty of sin, is a judgment pronounced for all who sin.
again, the penalty/ wage of sin is death

you appear to keep ignoring this passage, please ignore it no more,

That's not in the text, merely your tradition being read back in. It just says death and there's nothing to suggest this is in anyway a "spiritual" thing. While spiritual death awaits all who remain in sin, God delayed punishment in order that when it comes it will be seen to be just.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Are you talking about ongoing sanctification? (Philippians 2:12-13)

I'm not sure why you're trying to fit it into a given doctrinal frame. The question is whether the righteousness that is worked in us(whether you conceive of that as imputation and then sanctification, or take the whole thing together) is an actual righteousness or a fictitious decree.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's not in the text, merely your tradition being read back in. It just says death and there's nothing to suggest this is in anyway a "spiritual" thing. While spiritual death awaits all who remain in sin, God delayed punishment in order that when it comes it will be seen to be just.

Now who is going outside the text?

God told adam in the moment he sinned he would die

either God lied

or adam died

scripture probes adam died, we can see this in the way he acted, and how foolish the things of God because after he sinned, and how he forgot who God even was and what he could do

i do not know who taught you these things, but you either have lost a lot of knowledge or you were not entrenched in scripture to really know what it said. Or the so called protest and church you went to failed you big time

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not sure why you're trying to fit it into a given doctrinal frame. The question is whether the righteousness that is worked in us(whether you conceive of that as imputation and then sanctification, or take the whole thing together) is an actual righteousness or a fictitious decree.

I asked you earlier are you perfect, are you sinless? Do you still sin?

can you please answer

 

[Lightskin]

We keep walking, God makes us righteous. Do you believe that the righteousness Christ works in us is not genuine righteousness?

God makes us righteous through our walk?

 

[Bbrdrd]

Now who is going outside the text?

God told adam in the moment he sinned he would die

either God lied

or adam died

scripture probes adam died, we can see this in the way he acted, and how foolish the things of God because after he sinned, and how he forgot who God even was and what he could do

i do not know who taught you these things, but you either have lost a lot of knowledge or you were not entrenched in scripture to really know what it said. Or the so called protest and church you went to failed you big time

Or it could be just as with our salvation, Adam was accounted as dead because it was a foregone reality. It doesn't necessitate that right in that very moment Adam experienced death in some mysterious way. What it seems to me is you're reading a particular tradition of Romans 5 back into the Genesis story and justifying it on that basis. No human taught me these things, in fact it's come after a long time of shedding reformed doctrine. It's come from asking "How is God just?" and rather than go "lol his justice is a mystery" actually examining what the Bible says. And it's that God will judge us at the end.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Or it could be just as with our salvation, Adam was accounted as dead because it was a foregone reality. It doesn't necessitate that right in that very moment Adam experienced death in some mysterious way. What it seems to me is you're reading a particular tradition of Romans 5 back into the Genesis story and justifying it on that basis. No human taught me these things, in fact it's come after a long time of shedding reformed doctrine. It's come from asking "How is God just?" and rather than go "lol his justice is a mystery" actually examining what the Bible says. And it's that God will judge us at the end.

Adam was accounted as dead because he was, sin seperated him from God

if not for the cross, Adam would rot in hell, as would we all,

again, why do you call God a liar?

god said, I was dead in sin, have been made alive in Christ. How is this true in what you are saying

the bible does not agree with you,

 

[Lightskin]

So your perfect? Sinless? And will be until you die?

Uh oh. No response.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Uh oh. No response.

I have asked him times now

seems to be the norm

 

[Bbrdrd]

I asked you earlier are you perfect, are you sinless? Do you still sin?

can you please answer

Strange questions. Do you mean do I still disobey God? Do I still stray from the path? Yeah, of course. Are you asking just to dismiss a call for righteousness and obedience to the one you claim is your Lord and savior?

 

[Lightskin]

I have asked him times now

seems to be the norm

He’s a self righteous narcissist guilty of breaking the first three Commandments. I’m shaking the dust off my feet of this one.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Is it quitting time for workers yet?

Get in line.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Strange questions. Do you mean do I still disobey God? Do I still stray from the path? Yeah, of course. Are you asking just to dismiss a call for righteousness and obedience to the one you claim is your Lord and savior?

I asked you a question, do you still sin

sin e you answered you, you proved you are not righteous.

you may think you are. but you are not.

don‘t you think it’s time you stop excausing your sin?

 

[Bbrdrd]

Adam was accounted as dead because he was, sin seperated him from God

if not for the cross, Adam would rot in hell, as would we all,

again, why do you call God a liar?

god said, I was dead in sin, have been made alive in Christ. How is this true in what you are saying

the bible does not agree with you,

The problem is you're overlaying the idea with a very Calvinist flavor. You're reading more into the phrase "dead in sins" than is necessary, the second death which is spiritual death occurs after the judgment.

 

[Bbrdrd]

I asked you a question, do you still sin

sin e you answered you, you proved you are not righteous.

you may think you are. but you are not.

don‘t you think it’s time you stop excausing your sin?

I make no excuses for my sins, but I'll answer you with Scripture.

9 He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
20 The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
21 For I have kept the ways of the Lord, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
22 For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.
23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.
24 Therefore hath the Lord recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.
25 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.
27 For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.
28 For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The problem is you're overlaying the idea with a very Calvinist flavor.

and there is it, I knew this would come forth sooner or layer

listen here man, I just take Gods word for what it says

God said in the moment adam sinned he would die, he did

if calvin agrees with this, wow that is great. If he does not, that’s a shame, I really could care less

what I am more worried about is you thinking

1. adam did not die the moment he sined
2. You are righteousn, when you admit yourself you still sin
3. you think you can earn salvation because you are righteous,

You're reading more into the phrase "dead in sins" than is necessary, the second death which is spiritual death occurs after the judgment.

I was dead in Christ, if spiritual death occured after judgment, then God is confused, the. Bible is in error, and I need to find another religion. Or just give up all together

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