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Micaiah-imla said:
It is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment.

He that judges me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of the God.
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Nice try....I, by the word of God, judge your regurgitated Roman Catholic dogma that deceptively peddles a dime store fraudulent, losable salvation that must be maintained by man......make no mistake...what you peddle is not truth!
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Scripture contradicts Once Saved, Always Saved.

Since you are trained in OSAS, you have been taught how to defend it.
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It baffles me you can write this.. when you have been shown that scripture in no way contradicts OSAS.... but in fact it is the Gospel.

So many posts/scriptures that you have been unable to refute.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Scripture contradicts Once Saved, Always Saved.

Since you are trained in OSAS, you have been taught how to defend it.
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Hahhaah HAHAHAAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHA listen pal....NOT ONE VERSE in context teaches a losable, self maintained salvation.....no contextual honesty, no truth and a regurgitated Roman Catholic dogma is all you are peddling.....you sound just like a Jehovah's Witness.....or a Mormon with a lemon twist......

So genius what do the following mean

We are kept by the POWER OF GOD THROUGH FAITH <-YOU KNOW....the FAITH JESUS BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES IN US.

Which god are you trying to sell? My God does the above....and if you can lose salvation, you are not worshipping the God of the bible!

Mine keeps me by HIS POWER....your's must be as weak as!!!
 
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VCO said:
John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
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These sheep have armed themselves with mind of Christ, suffering in the flesh in order to cease from sin (1 Peter 4:1). They have abstained from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22). They no longer have eyes full of adultery and can cease from sin (2 Peter 2:9). This is why the scripture says that we are not only to believe on Jesus, but to also suffer for his sake (Philippians 1:29). For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:21) because his sheep follow him (John 10:27).

So what some of you OSAS injurious people need to do is become harmless as doves and take up your cross (Matthew 16:24), lay down OSAS, and follow Christ so that you can claim that verse about those who will never perish.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
These sheep have armed themselves with mind of Christ, suffering in the flesh in order to cease from sin (1 Peter 4:1). They have abstained from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22). They no longer have eyes full of adultery and can cease from sin (2 Peter 2:9). This is why the scripture says that we are not only to believe on Jesus, but to also suffer for his sake (Philippians 1:29). For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:21) because his sheep follow him (John 10:27).

So what some of you OSAS injurious people need to do is become harmless as doves and take up your cross (Matthew 16:24), lay down OSAS, and follow Christ so that you can claim that verse about those who will never perish.
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I am sure @VCO will respond.... just something you prefer bondage over what Christ offers.

Yes we while suffer for the Gospel as saints saved eternally, however how much suffering earns salvation for you?
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
These sheep have armed themselves with mind of Christ, suffering in the flesh in order to cease from sin (1 Peter 4:1). They have abstained from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22). They no longer have eyes full of adultery and can cease from sin (2 Peter 2:9). This is why the scripture says that we are not only to believe on Jesus, but to also suffer for his sake (Philippians 1:29). For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:21) because his sheep follow him (John 10:27).

So what some of you OSAS injurious people need to do is become harmless as doves and take up your cross (Matthew 16:24), lay down OSAS, and follow Christ so that you can claim that verse about those who will never perish.
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Hahahahaha they ALL FORSOOK HIM and Peter denied him 3 times and cussed about it.....you can forget your religious embellishments.....NOTHING you posted equals a means of keeping that WHICH IS ETERNALLY GIVEN....man, your religion has corrupted your ability to be contextually honest.....so...for the sake of Honesty.....what religious creed are you.....Anglican, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, JW, Mormon? Which is it...obviously one that has bound you down under religious hoop jumping and servitude to a false gospel!
 
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dcontroversal said:
So genius what do the following mean

We are kept by the POWER OF GOD THROUGH FAITH <-YOU KNOW....the FAITH JESUS BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES IN US.
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These same that are kept are told a few sentences later that, as obedient children, that they should not fashion themselves according to the former lusts in their ignorance; and to be holy as God is holy.
 
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Sagart said:
No, I am NOT saying that works are the “very essence” of anyone’s faith; I am saying that works are essential to the completeness of ones faith. Indeed, “faith without works is dead.”

Believing Bibles that include the book of James does not make anyone a “works-salvationist,” it makes them Bible believing Christians—and Bible believing Christians do not rely upon name calling to defend their beliefs and opinions.
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I think you got that wrong. Born-again Christians will always produce fruit given opportunity (but not necessarily at every possible opportunity). Fruit bearing is the natural out-growth of faith, however it doesn't complete faith nor does it complement faith. It is simply the result of faith.
 
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The following is a prime example of bible vs. a religionist...

Bible
What must I do to be saved eternally....Believe and acknowledge that belief

Religionist
What must I do to be saved and keep it....Believe, be immersed or get wet by sprinkling, do 123222 works plus 1, hoop jump, back flip down the isle, Sing just as I am 347 times, more religious hoop jumping, believe in your head you don't sin, keep some set of rules n laws, bark a few times, more religious hoop jumping, help Jesus cause he is weak, sacraments, take the Lord's supper 47 times a year, be a member of hickory stick "chIrch" <-emphasis upon "I" etc. etc. etc. etc.

Blah, blah, blah!!
 
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Micaiah-imla

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cv5 said:
Peter messed up (others as well) again later too...Gal 2:11-14.
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Peter was not walking uprightly according to the truth gospel as noted in Galatians.

He was not denying Christ or cursing in the Galatians narrative.

And it can be surmised that Peter received Paul's correction because no further error was noted afterwards.
 
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