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BillG

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Vice versa...I disagree with a lot of their posts...as I have stated contact admin if you are unhappy with my red Xs.
As others do with you, yet it was you who said red X's are petty in agreement with @DorothyMae

Then all of sudden you start being as petty as those you accuse of being petty.

Hence vice versa.

Personally I'm not a fan of the red X.

To me it conotates a personal issue rather than a doctrinal issue. But I think possibly this comes down to an emotional reaction.

I am more than happy to say I disagree and if we do then leave it at that and know Jesus will judge when he calls time.

Also I'm not gonna contact admin about red X's
They are not interested in them.
The fact that you and I and others are still posting is because we are not banned and do not fall foul of the rules.

All I was trying to do is to make you see that you have accused others of being petty by using the red X and then start doing it and then defending it by saying it's because you disagree with the post without thinking or asking if they were doing the same.
 
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Well one poster thought only OSAS believers ought to post here. What kind of discussion can one have?

I used to believe in OSAS.....but have been questioning it myself a lot lately in that area...for some reason it just doesn’t fit right in my spirit.
 
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As others do with you, yet it was you who said red X's are petty in agreement with @DorothyMae

Then all of sudden you start being as petty as those you accuse of being petty.

Hence vice versa.

Personally I'm not a fan of the red X.

To me it conotates a personal issue rather than a doctrinal issue. But I think possibly this comes down to an emotional reaction.

I am more than happy to say I disagree and if we do then leave it at that and know Jesus will judge when he calls time.

Also I'm not gonna contact admin about red X's
They are not interested in them.
The fact that you and I and others are still posting is because we are not banned and do not fall foul of the rules.

All I was trying to do is to make you see that you have accused others of being petty by using the red X and then start doing it and then defending it by saying it's because you disagree with the post without thinking or asking if they were doing the same.

That is your opinion...I was going to red x you...but decided to reply instead...LOL.
 
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We are not born again through works..but by grace from our Father...but because we love God so much...work follows....and continues to do so...it just comes automatically.its the Holy Spirit working in our hearts....mine has gone to mush..putty in his hands.

He is the only one ever in my life to affect me like that...not biblical..but personal.
 
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I used to believe in OSAS.....but have been questioning it myself a lot lately in that area...for some reason it just doesn’t fit right in my spirit.
The doctrine takes bits and pieces from disconnected verses to form their position. Individual statements that have nothing to do with their conclusions. If it were not so, one writer would have expounded upon it as an understanding in one piece.

Others to include Jesus talked about falling away. Believers are warned to take care over and over. The case against the doctrine is strong but the emotional response against those who present it is vicious. Just watch what posts I get after this. I’m talking about the doctrine. They’ll talk about ME.
 

BillG

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We are not born again through works..but by grace from our Father...but because we love God so much...work follows....and continues to do so...it just comes automatically.its the Holy Spirit working in our hearts....mine has gone to mush..putty in his hands.

He is the only one ever in my life to affect me like that...not biblical..but personal.
I would say that are born again through faith as a result of grace.
When we are born again I would be retisent to say it's because we love God so much.
I would say it's because we understand he loves us so much.

Works then follow as the Holy Spirit works in us. It's not automatic because we will have to grow in his love and move towards an AGAPE love.

That's where the Holy Spirit works in us to manifest his fruit.

The greatest of which is love.

Peter is a great example of this in his restoration.
 

BillG

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I’m still pretty new so I thought maybe the OSAS threads are restricted to OSAS believers.
So did a member say that to you?

You said one poster did.

I have tried to look for it but cannot see it.

This thread is not about OSAS but about our works do not save us.
That is the truth.

After that it gets messy if we go against that.
 
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I would say that are born again through faith as a result of grace.
When we are born again I would be retisent to say it's because we love God so much.
I would say it's because we understand he loves us so much.

Works then follow as the Holy Spirit works in us. It's not automatic because we will have to grow in his love and move towards an AGAPE love.

That's where the Holy Spirit works in us to manifest his fruit.

The greatest of which is love.

Peter is a great example of this in his restoration.

Yes,we receive faith...what I mean is...after we receive faith...knowing that Jesus died for our sins....we can’t help but show our gratitude....I fell in love with the Holy Spirit...when I received him into my heart....hook line and sinker....every day I thank him for his wonderful Holy Spirit.
 
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So did a member say that to you?

You said one poster did.

I have tried to look for it but cannot see it.

This thread is not about OSAS but about our works do not save us.
That is the truth.

After that it gets messy if we go against that.

I think a lot of posts are misinterpreted...not knowingly....I agree works do not save us....
 
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So did a member say that to you?

You said one poster did.

I have tried to look for it but cannot see it.

This thread is not about OSAS but about our works do not save us.
That is the truth.

After that it gets messy if we go against that.
What’s the difference between a member and a poster?
 
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I think a lot of posts are misinterpreted...not knowingly....I agree works do not save us....
So the thread should have gone...
(tongue in cheek here)

Works don’t save us? Anyone disagree?

(Days pass)

Ok, we agree works don’t save us. Now choir, let’s present another truth to make sure we agree. Jesus rose from the dead.

Anyone disagree?

Is that the pattern? (no sarcasm but some little humor)