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You cannot even prove you can be intimate and commit sexual sins and die on the spot and still be saved.

You have no Scripture to back such malarky.

Why should I believe your nonsense then when you cannot find in the Bible where I can sin, die, and be in Heaven?

To whom are you speaking? Give out names whenever you respond.
 

stonesoffire

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God is a god of covenant, always will be.

Jesus said everything is about Him, old and new so I doubt that difference is so huge :)

What is the difference between the Old and New Covenant? The page that separate them in your Bible. One book, one non changing God and his bride.
If you believe that then you don’t understand Sonship. We’ve inherited the same working Holy Spirit who wants to move through the body of Christ and do the greater works that Jesus said will be done. Thats inheritance of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and is a greater way than trying to adhere to written laws.

My word man. Look at what is being said and get into the place of reception of truth!
 

BillG

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I am a GUIDO/JEW, my anger boils at being looked at wrongly. I naturally have a big mouth where the words fly out before I understand what I am saying. I have been judgemental on several occasions. I have definitely sinned since coming back to God!
Thanks for responding and being honest.

I have no idea what a GUIDO/JEW means or is no offense. That doesn't bother me. As long as you want to be like Jesus AMEN.

The reason for the question was based on you post

I believe in Eternal Salvation, don't get me wrong. I am not looking around the corner scared for my life. But then again, I am not wilfully committing sins either. If I was, I sure would not expect God to overlook my ignorance.

So if you have definitely sinned as you say above in the quote then does it not contradict the paragraph above (couldn't put that in the quote box)
 

stonesoffire

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Sin shouldn’t even be an issue in His body. Looking at Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith....Search for Him with all that is within you. And worship Him for He is worthy!
 

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1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.


1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Romans 3:21-26
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God



Psalm 78:38
But He, being compassionate, forgave their iniquity and did not destroy them;
And often He restrained His anger
And did not arouse all His wrath.



These verses are just a few which back up God's forgiveness to those who sin knowingly, unknowingly. Sin has no big/small/itty bitty, or huge with God. Sin is sin and the only way we humans have hope, eternal life is the fact that God has given us the Way. The Blood of Jesus Christ covered, is covering us. There is power in the blood.
 
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If you have actually read the New Testament, SEXUAL SINS are the one issue the Apostles presented to the Gentile converts. Sexual sins are still the big NO NO today. So if you are involved in Sexual Sins, how do you think you are SAVED?
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1COR. 5:11.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a 'brother' be a
fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; 'with such an one no not to eat'.
1COR. 6:9.
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit The Kingdom of God???????????????????
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
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Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if one involves themselves with 'the whore', then they become 'one with the whore,' according to
God's Law of Marriage...
if after 'conversion you choose to 'enjoin' yourself sexually with a 'whore-effeminate-murderer-adulterer-
or one that practices witch-craft', (you become through the union of perversion, one with them'),
(((you no longer belong to Christ))), you have 'sold yourself, choosing the price of iniquity'...
 

BillG

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I feel guilty when I sin. I never want to become hardened and feel it's ok I am saved. I love it when God CHASTISES me because the Bible says God only CHASTISES those He calls His OWN!
Interesting point you raise here.

Guilt?

Why do we feel guilty?
Does the Holy Spirit move to make us feel guilty?

What does being feeling guilty mean in relation to sin?
 
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If your interpretation of that verse is truth, not one single soul will see heaven.
Actually the few who walk worthy of the free gift that was offered to them will be saved in the end.

The “no single soul” you refer to are the unbelievers and those who draw back unto perdition.
 

stonesoffire

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Fornication is sexual sins:

And there are several sexual sins including Adultery.

How can a Christian be intimate with their neighbors spouse and think they are saved from what Ephesians states?
Who you running with all these Christians supposedly anyway, who are doing all these sins? Maybe get yourself some new friends?
 
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If you believe that then you don’t understand Sonship. We’ve inherited the same working Holy Spirit who wants to move through the body of Christ and do the greater works that Jesus said will be done. Thats inheritance of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and is a greater way than trying to adhere to written laws.

My word man. Look at what is being said and get into the place of reception of truth!
It is funny that you should mention greater works because we don't see it in church today. What is missing? It can't be faith or grace because we all claim we have it. You see, Jesus was observing Torah and did all of his miracles. All the disciples were obeying Torah. Let's then look at the lack of miracles from Bible believing children of God and understand that covenant is what is missing today.

Torah is not works or written laws. It is covenant with the King of kings by obeying Hi word. Everything in Torah is a shadow of Christ's crucifixion and second return. If we don't see it we are miss reading a material part of scripture.

Your last sentence made me LOL.
 

stonesoffire

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1COR. 5:11.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a 'brother' be a
fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; 'with such an one no not to eat'.
1COR. 6:9.
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit The Kingdom of God???????????????????
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10.
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if one involves themselves with 'the whore', then they become 'one with the whore,' according to
God's Law of Marriage...
if after 'conversion you choose to 'enjoin' yourself sexually with a 'whore-effeminate-murderer-adulterer-
or one that practices witch-craft', (you become through the union of perversion, one with them'),
(((you no longer belong to Christ))), you have 'sold yourself, choosing the price of iniquity'...
I do worry and pray for this new thinking that a couple can live together without Marriage, and be Christians. And be accepted in the church.
 

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practice? Just be who you are in Him.

if only it were so simple. but look around . . . life is very complicated.

Matthew 11
27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

come to me, take my yoke. why come, why take, why not just be? because we are not totally IN Him unless we come and take the yoke (as in oxen - hauling a cart).

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our Home with him.

and how do we keep His Word?

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

aha. so if we keep Jesus's Commandments - then we will be loved by the Father (moreso than orhers? for God loves the Whole World) and Jesus will Reveal Himself to that person. Wonder what That means?


1 John 2:3
By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.


ah, so THIS is how to be SURE. IF we keep His Commandments we Have Come to Know Him. So, it would follow that any who are not keeping the Commandments or wanting to or trying to - do NOT really Know Him as Well as those who Keep The Commandments, or want to, or try to. maybe the more you keep the Commandments, the more you come to know Him. :)

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,
 

stonesoffire

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It is funny that you should mention greater works because we don't see it in church today. What is missing? It can't be faith or grace because we all claim we have it. You see, Jesus was observing Torah and did all of his miracles. All the disciples were obeying Torah. Let's then look at the lack of miracles from Bible believing children of God and understand that covenant is what is missing today.

Torah is not works or written laws. It is covenant with the King of kings by obeying Hi word. Everything in Torah is a shadow of Christ's crucifixion and second return. If we don't see it we are miss reading a material part of scripture.

Your last sentence made me LOL.
If you aren’t seeing it then my last sentence applies! It isn’t yet what it shall be, but it’s being done where those have given their lives fully to be filled with Holy Spirit.

And actually Torah is the luving anointed Son of God.
 
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I am a GUIDO/JEW, my anger boils at being looked at wrongly. I naturally have a big mouth where the words fly out before I understand what I am saying. I have been judgemental on several occasions. I have definitely sinned since coming back to God!


And each time I have sinned, I am immediate or when it comes to my memory to repent and ask God to forgive me!

I feel the Holy Spirit within me telling me to repent.
I respect your humility and honesty, but you’re throwing stones from within your glass house every time you chasten someone for embracing OSAS when in fact you lead the life of a typical Christian, OSAS or otherwise.
 

stonesoffire

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if only it were so simple. but look around . . . life is very complicated.

Matthew 11
27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

come to me, take my yoke. why come, why take, why not just be? because we are not totally IN Him unless we come and take the yoke (as in oxen - hauling a cart).

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our Home with him.

and how do we keep His Word?

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

aha. so if we keep Jesus's Commandments - then we will be loved by the Father (moreso than orhers? for God loves the Whole World) and Jesus will Reveal Himself to that person. Wonder what That means?


1 John 2:3
By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.


ah, so THIS is how to be SURE. IF we keep His Commandments we Have Come to Know Him. So, it would follow that any who are not keeping the Commandments or wanting to or trying to - do NOT really Know Him as Well as those who Keep The Commandments, or want to, or try to. maybe the more you keep the Commandments, the more you come to know Him. :)

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,
Life is pressure and we all, the whole world, is feeling it from this virus.

But, Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Keeping our eyesight on Him.....we are changed into His image, So much more restful than demands.
 
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lets gets real here:
if one steals, then they are 'guilty of The Law', you shall NOT steal' =
if one commits murder, then they are guilty of The Law, 'you shall not kill' =
if one commits adultery, then they are guilty of The Law, 'you shall not commit adultery'=,
as it is written:
1JOHN 3:4.
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also The Law: 'for sin is the transgression of The Law'.

when I, wife, in my teens, totally believing that I was a '''Christian''', STOLE and was caught,
and went to '''jail''': in other words, I 'reaped what I sowed'...
do any one of you here think that you are exempt from paying the price of your transgressions???
PLEASE, if you do,
would you be so kind to enlighten me of the favor that God has granted you above me???
 
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Repent to you???.........are you being serious??.....are you God?.....I think not!!...I struggle around people like you....I may have to repent to God later.....as my thoughts are pretty uncoloured at the moment,reading your words!
Where did he say repent to him? He didn’t. Nowhere did he say this in that post.
 
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If you aren’t seeing it then my last sentence applies! It isn’t yet what it shall be, but it’s being done where those have given their lives fully to be filled with Holy Spirit.

And actually Torah is the luving anointed Son of God.
So in your life you are doing more miracles and greater miracles than Jesus? Must be amazing being in your presence my friend. I have never seen it.

I have witnessed many miracles and for that I am grateful. But nothing compared to the glory of my King. I fall short every time.