Not By Works

[Magenta]

see my post above 😱

I am well aware of what the "great commission" entails. However...

On the one hand you say, His work is finished, as He said so on the cross.

On the other hand, you repeatedly keep saying He works to this day.

Therefore? Therefore, you contradict yourself.

I am sorry if this is too complicated for you to grasp.

Ps~ the great commission is for us to carry out.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus works day and night with his Church to bring salvation to new converts.

are you sure it wasn't his mission that was finished when he said his last words, it's finished ?.

^ Just for clarity: this is plainly contradictory.

 

[Fundaamental]

^ Just for clarity: this is plainly contradictory.

Jesus is the spirit in all Christians that work for the better to bring salvation to new converts day and night there is no contradiction if you see that is also the mission.

And also when Jesus spoke his last words it is finished, it was the start of the great commission.

So it was never finished.

I will leave you with this song from my homeland Wales in the UK and my first language Welsh and hope it brings you some peace Im sure you'll recognise the song.

 

[Fundaamental]

Añd here's one you can sing along to

 

[Fundaamental]

 

[Magenta]

Jesus is the spirit in all Christians that work for the better to bring salvation to new converts day and night

Nobody has denied this.

there is no contradiction if you see that is also the mission.

You contradicted it yourself.

And also when Jesus spoke his last words it is finished, it was the start of the great commission.

No it was not. The great commission was given after His resurrection (found in Matthew 28:18-20).

So it was never finished.

You will have a much easier go of it if and when you learn not to contradict yourself.

Helpful hint: acting like a victim does not help your cause.

 

[Fundaamental]

Nobody has denied this.


You contradicted it yourself.

No it was not. The great commission was given after His resurrection (found in Matthew 28:18-20).


You will have a much easier go of it if and when you learn not to contradict yourself.

Helpful hint: acting like a victim does not help your cause.

I haven't contradicted my self, you and snacker are contradicting what I'm saying.

Snacker said when Jesus said his last words its finished, Jesus was saying works for salvation was finished,
First They where not the last words of Jesus.

The last words of Jesus was it's finished which means his mission of what he was sent for was finished.

But the end of his mission was the start of the great commission.

The great commission is to go and make deciples of nations.

The spirit in Christians is the spirit that works day and night to bring salvation to new converts,

So works for salvation is needed and is just as much valid befor the cross and after the cross.

So if you want more peace listen to this

 

[Fundaamental]

Nobody has denied this.


You contradicted it yourself.

No it was not. The great commission was given after His resurrection (found in Matthew 28:18-20).


You will have a much easier go of it if and when you learn not to contradict yourself.

Helpful hint: acting like a victim does not help your cause.

Who's playing the victim false pointing again.

The great commission refers to sever passages in scripture not just one.

So your the one who's contradicting

And by looks if it your corrections are argumentive. 😱😜😁😊

 

[Magenta]

The last words of Jesus was it's finished which means his mission of what he was sent for was finished.

But the end of his mission was the start of the great commission.

The great commission was given after His resurrection. Your assertions to the contrary do not change that fact.

So works for salvation is needed and is just as much valid befor the cross and after the cross.

You just can't seem to get it into your head that "Not by works" refers to how we obtain salvation,
which is to say, it is not by works. That we do the works after we are saved God prepared for us to
do is not what the discussion here has been about, except from you and your bent mindset.

Who's playing the victim false pointing again.

Pointing out your errors does not equate to me playing the victim.

You telling me to stop picking on you is you playing the victim.

If you do not want to have this discussion, it is up to you to stop .

 

[Fundaamental]

The great commission was given after His resurrection. Your assertions to the contrary do not change that fact.


You just can't seem to get it into your head that "Not by works" refers to how we obtain salvation,
which is to say, it is not by works. That we do the works after we are saved God prepared for us to
do is not what the discussion here has been about, except from you and your bent mindset.

Pointing out your errors does not equate to me playing the victim.

You telling me to stop picking on you is you playing the victim.

If you do not want to have this discussion, it is up to you to stop .

Firstly you say nobody disagrees that the spirit is Jesus in çhistians is the spirit that works day añd night to bring salvation to new converts.

But yet you fail to see snackers contradiction that the works for salvation was finished at the cross.

You also fail to see that the great commission refers to more than one passage in the bible, and you have indicated it only applies to Mathew 28:17-20

You also have yet to acknowledge the argument is false here because there is no way a person can obtain salvation for them selves.
It's a false argument.

By not acknowledging this you continuing to use an argument that has no relevance what so ever to do with anything, but yet you want me to get it in to my bent mind set that it has substance or some importance when it has absolutely no credibility what so ever.

What I have suggested does have relevance truth substance and foundation. Which is Jesus works day and night to bring salvation for new converts and so does his followers.

which means works for salvation is needed.

SO my mind has to adapt to works are not important to salvation based on a total
unedifying argument.

because I can't see any building up of the church in this argument what so ever, only a diversion from the truth.

sorry but I do not wish to become bent thanks

 

[Snacker]

Snacker said when Jesus said his last words its finished, Jesus was saying works for salvation was finished

His works for our salvation was finished.

 

[Fundaamental]

His works for our salvation was finished.

how so ? To me the cross was just the start of it

 

[Magenta]

Jesus works day and night to bring salvation for new converts and so does his followers.

This thread is not about that. Perhaps you could start a new thread.

You also fail to see that the great commission refers to more than one passage
in the bible, and you have indicated it only applies to Mathew 28:17-20

The great commission was given post-resurrection, in Matthew 28:18-20, despite your claims to the
contrary, and even now citing the wrong passages. I said absolutely nothing about it applying only
to those passages. Why do you resort to lies, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations?
Of mice and men comes to mind.

You also have yet to acknowledge the argument is false here because there is
no way a person can obtain salvation for them selves. It's a false argument.

Your argument is false, that's for sure. The crux of this thread all along has been that Jesus did what
needed to be done for us to obtain salvation by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
The fact that you continue to miss this and pick arguments about whatever fancies you is puzzling,
and a main reason why I have come to the conclusion that you are one who just wants to argue.

 

[Snacker]

how so ? To me the cross was just the start of it

Is He still on the cross?

 

[lawrence101]

Now the is a fib about Churches that Believe about Churches that you believe are evangelical OSAS Churches and are always saved by Grace Alone, from the Beginning of the World. I have been in 17 Churches (we moved a lot in my younger years) and in my life after I was Born Again, AND NOT ONE OF THEM TAUGHT YOU CAN LIVE LIKE THE DEVIL, after you are SAVED. We are all taught genuine Salvation changed you on the inside, TO LOVE THE LORD MORE THAN ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET, and therefore you Want to Please HIM, once you have the Holy Spirit in you. You have been taught a lie about OSAS Churches.

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

 

[Fundaamental]

Is He still on the cross?

that's just a silly question. The image of Jesus on the cross is more relevant to the works he carried out to bring salvation.

 

[Snacker]

that's just a silly question. The image of Jesus on the cross is more relevant to the works he carried out to bring salvation.

Carried - past tense. I rest my case.

 

[VCO]

This thread is not about that. Perhaps you could start a new thread.

The great commission was given post-resurrection, in Matthew 28:18-20, despite your claims to the
contrary, and even now citing the wrong passages. I said absolutely nothing about it applying only
to those passages. Why do you resort to lies, erroneous assumptions, and false accusations?
Of mice and men comes to mind.

Your argument is false, that's for sure. The crux of this thread all along has been that Jesus did what
needed to be done for us to obtain salvation by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
The fact that you continue to miss this and pick arguments about whatever fancies you is puzzling,
and a main reason why I have come to the conclusion that you are one who just wants to argue.

I know you agree with me, but some of the Others, I have to wonder how they have gotten so far off center.

 

[Fundaamental]

Carried - past tense. I rest my case.

okay friend.

 

[VCO]

that's just a silly question. The image of Jesus on the cross is more relevant to the works he carried out to bring salvation.

IT WAS A DONE DEAL THE MOMENT HE PLANNED IT, BEFORE TIME BEGAN.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


Guess you never read that with UNDERSTANDING ! ! !