Not supporting any of the presidential candidates

[Lynx]

My take on those folks is that they are the rabid Leftists and Democrats who have nothing to offer the country other than promoting hatred against ordinary, law-abiding, decent citizens who are conservative, Christian, and/or Republican. They are the ones demonizing people.

Only the left? I've seen a LOT of right wing Republicans demonizing people who disagree with them.

You, for example.

 

[hornetguy]

See, this is the problem. You condemn the Biden family for making money in foreign countries, but make excuses for the Trump family doing the exact same thing.

FYI, there are lots of luxury hotels in the DC area, and from the reports I read the foreign governments didn't stay at Trump's places before he was President and they stopped staying in them after he lost. And btw, Trump actually bragged about getting that money from China while he was President, saying "I don't get $8 million for doing nothing" (comparing himself to Hunter B.).

Do you know the details of Jared Kushner's multi-billion dollar deal with the Saudis after he left the WH? Do you know the details of Ivanka getting Chinese trademarks/copyrights during Trump's term?

If you only agree that a family making money from foreign governments while one of them is President is wrong if it's anyone but Trump, then you may want to think and pray on it.

I really wish you would stop with the self-righteous "you need to pray" silliness.... you are not my spiritual advisor, I certainly don't need any suggestions from you of how to improve my walk with Jesus... so just stop it.

What I disagree with is your targeting of Trump for making money as a president. ALL presidents make money from being in that office. ALL of them. The Biden's money was given as a quid pro quo.... in Biden's own words. He bragged about it, on video.

At least Trumps money was made through legal services offered... staying at a luxurious hotel.

I do not know any details about Jared Kushner.... do YOU? I don't know the details of Ivanka.... do YOU?

 

[SonJudgment]

I have always wrote in Jesus. I may do so again, but I gotta say this time around it is seeming like I might as well just vote for Trump outright. The democrats have just gone from pretty bad in the past to just being so outright evil that it feels like they must be stopped at all costs.

 

[NightTwister]

Have you ever tried to change information on wikipedia? well i have. you have to show were you got the information/ quote. its often need to be from a book or diary(historical account) look at the citations!

Most colleges and universities will not accept Wikipedia as a source for citations in academic work. There's a reason for that.

 

[Mem]

Forget the swamp analogy. I'm going to think of it turning into a waste treatment plant project. Water will flush it away, but it isn't until a fire is applied to the refuse that it is actually entirely purged.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Only the left? I've seen a LOT of right wing Republicans demonizing people who disagree with them. You, for example.

Stating the FACTS about Democrats is not "demonizing" them, since they are already demonic.

Just one example should suffice. Almost all the Democrats in the House voted against the SAVE Act, when supporting it was the right thing to do. In other words they want election fraud and now they have proved it.

The ones who will vote fraudulently are the illegals, who have been brought into the USA to destroy the country, and destroy the democratic process at the same time. That is purely evil and demonic. Then they have brought in thousands of Haitians to kill and eat the pets of lawful citizens in Ohio (and also ducks which should be left alone) That too is demonic since these Haitians worship demons and are also cannibals.

So no one needs to demonize demons. They already are what they are. But they can certainly be exposed and the media have failed to expose them.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...how can a man that's not a Christian have integrity

That is just a stupid remark. There are many people who are not Christians but do have integrity. And only God has the right to decide who is and who is not a genuine Christian.

 

[JayBird]

What I disagree with is your targeting of Trump for making money as a president. ALL presidents make money from being in that office. ALL of them.

Really? I'm old enough to remember when Carter gave up his peanut business so as to avoid any conflicts of interests and such. I don't recall any other Presidents keeping their businesses followed by other countries spending money at those businesses while that President is in office.

Do you have some specific examples?

The Biden's money was given as a quid pro quo.... in Biden's own words. He bragged about it, on video.

He did? I must have missed that.

At least Trumps money was made through legal services offered... staying at a luxurious hotel.

Again, this is where we'll just have to disagree. You're okay with foreign governments funneling money to sitting Presidents, as long as it's Trump. I'm not, no matter who is President.

I do not know any details about Jared Kushner.... do YOU? I don't know the details of Ivanka.... do YOU?

Yes. Are you interested in learning more about those things?

 

[Lynx]

Stating the FACTS about Democrats is not "demonizing" them, since they are already demonic.

Just one example should suffice. Almost all the Democrats in the House voted against the SAVE Act, when supporting it was the right thing to do. In other words they want election fraud and now they have proved it.

The ones who will vote fraudulently are the illegals, who have been brought into the USA to destroy the country, and destroy the democratic process at the same time. That is purely evil and demonic. Then they have brought in thousands of Haitians to kill and eat the pets of lawful citizens in Ohio (and also ducks which should be left alone) That too is demonic since these Haitians worship demons and are also cannibals.

So no one needs to demonize demons. They already are what they are. But they can certainly be exposed and the media have failed to expose them.

You misunderstand. Although you have certainly demonized the left, you also like to demonize people who don't vote.

 

[Lynx]

That is just a stupid remark. There are many people who are not Christians but do have integrity. And only God has the right to decide who is and who is not a genuine Christian.

Even Democrats?

Even people who don't vote?

 

[hornetguy]

Again, this is where we'll just have to disagree. You're okay with foreign governments funneling money to sitting Presidents, as long as it's Trump. I'm not, no matter who is President.

Staying at a prime hotel, even if it's only because it belongs to a sitting president, is NOT "funneling" money to that president. The customers are paying for a service... if they choose to use the service the president's company provides, that's on them.

I do not like any politician receiving money for "favors" .... let me know how you intend to stop it, since that is the way the government works. Ever hear of lobbyists?
It is so common, they even make comedy movies about it. Apparently it was going on during Lincoln's time, as well, if you believe the movie as being somewhat accurate.

Picking out one former president and trying to make them out to be "the corrupt one" is simply partisan hatred... the TDS. Until I see you crusading against Pelosi, et al, your credibility is pretty much non-existent with me on this matter.

Yes. Are you interested in learning more about those things?

Not really. Until Hunter Biden is investigated and prosecuted for his known graft in Ukraine, I don't want to hear a word about any of Trump's kids business dealings.

 

[hornetguy]

Watch the movie "The Distinguished Gentleman" with Eddie Murphy.... from the early 90's...

 

[JayBird]

Staying at a prime hotel, even if it's only because it belongs to a sitting president, is NOT "funneling" money to that president.

That's exactly what it is! That's why they didn't stay there until he was in office and stopped staying there after he lost.

I do not like any politician receiving money for "favors" .... let me know how you intend to stop it, since that is the way the government works. Ever hear of lobbyists?

Well in this specific situation, in the past we relied on the ethics and good faith of elected Presidents (such as Carter as I mentioned). But Trump broke all that. So we need specific legislation to address it.

Picking out one former president and trying to make them out to be "the corrupt one" is simply partisan hatred... the TDS. Until I see you crusading against Pelosi, et al, your credibility is pretty much non-existent with me on this matter.

I keep asking you to show where a former President did anything like what Trump did, and you haven't provided anything. So in order for the above to have merit, you'll have to show what you're talking about.

Not really. Until Hunter Biden is investigated and prosecuted for his known graft in Ukraine, I don't want to hear a word about any of Trump's kids business dealings.

So you were okay with the Trump family's corruption, because "they all do it"?

 

[hornetguy]

So you were okay with the Trump family's corruption, because "they all do it"?

You throw around words like "corruption" as if it was true. If it was true, why have they not been prosecuted and convicted?
And where were you 8 years ago during the Biden "pay for play" issues? Hunter using his dad to garner favor and get "no-show" 6-7 figure income jobs from the Ukraine companies? Biden forcing Ukraine to fire the prosecutor, before he would approve and send the aid money that had been promosed them... all to protect Hunter.

Enough word games. You hate Trump, fine. You want to slander him and give all the equally or more corrupt Dems a pass... fine.
Whatever gets you through the night...

 

[JayBird]

You throw around words like "corruption" as if it was true. If it was true, why have they not been prosecuted and convicted?

Because only Congress can do that to a President via the impeachment process.

And where were you 8 years ago during the Biden "pay for play" issues? Hunter using his dad to garner favor and get "no-show" 6-7 figure income jobs from the Ukraine companies?

I agree that it's unethical for Hunter B. to use his family name to get a job like that. Do you agree the same is true when the Trump family does it?

Biden forcing Ukraine to fire the prosecutor, before he would approve and send the aid money that had been promosed them... all to protect Hunter.

Actually that's the exact opposite of reality.

VP Biden went to Ukraine to further US foreign policy that was geared towards reducing corruption there. The EU, the IMF, and Senate Republicans (Johnson, Portman, and Kirk) all were on record that the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt because he wasn't investigating corruption. So the formal, stated US policy was that Ukraine wouldn't get US aid until they cleaned that up, primarily by ousting the prosecutor.

So VP Biden went to Ukraine and reiterated US foreign policy.

Enough word games. You hate Trump, fine. You want to slander him and give all the equally or more corrupt Dems a pass... fine.
Whatever gets you through the night...

I want to see the Republican Party ditch Trump and get back to sanity.

 

[DRobinson]

I will not vote for Harris or Trump because both are evil.
I will agree that Harris may be more evil, but both are evil in my opinion and I can be no part of this.
No matter who wins, things will continue to get worse for the Saints.
My not voting will have no bearing on the election because Trump will carry my state by a wide margin just as he did in 2016 and 2020.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's probably among the main reasons why I cannot in good conscience give my vote to Donald Trump. Not only is he a very, very immoral person,

If Trump is as horrific as Dems and their acolytes say, explain the pictures to us. And there are many, many more. Along with lists of people who attended his parties at Mar a Lago and those on the list as members. Not one had a bad word to say against him... until he ran as a conservative. What a bunch of hypocrites! Trump is no more immoral than anyone else Christians have voted into office.

but the way in which his campaign is so closely interwoven with evangelical Christianity has severely damaged the public perception of our faith.

If you care about what the world thinks, you got a problem right there.

Christianity in the US has now declined to the point where there are more "nones" (people with no religion) than white evangelical Christians.

We're in the last days. Christianity hasn't declined because of Trump. That's absurd.

Trump didn't start that trend, but he sure did further it.

You're entitled to your opinion, no facts behind it.

 

[JayBird]

If Trump is as horrific as Dems and their acolytes say, explain the pictures to us.

He's awful because of what he's saying and doing. He's closing his campaign on a message of hate, racist fear mongering, and conspiracy theories (taking a 9/11 truther to a 9/11 memorial event).

Trump is no more immoral than anyone else Christians have voted into office.

So your defense of Trump's immorality is "other Republicans are just as bad, so who cares"? I'm trying to remember where Christ told us that sins are okay as long as other people do them too, but I'm drawing a blank.

If you care about what the world thinks, you got a problem right there.

Really? You honestly think a US President's standing and credibility with other world leaders doesn't matter at all? Wow.

We're in the last days. Christianity hasn't declined because of Trump. That's absurd.

You're entitled to your opinion, no facts behind it.

I've posted the supporting survey data here before.

 

[hornetguy]

racist fear mongering,

please quote evidence for this absurd allegation.

 

[gb9]

please quote evidence for this absurd allegation.

love to see what he comes up with..