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Notice Paul’s Attitude! He Did Not Believe Or Claim To Already Have Salvation, But Sought To Progressively GROW Up Into The Likeness Of Christ,
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In short , Living out our new position as sons and daughters now eternally secure.
Thank you Walter for the nice and truthful posts, you are indeed a follower of Christ.
Blessings.
Thanks for sharing
, for most part the feeling of assurance would be what builds your faith, I suppose as faith builds so does assurance and confidence in knowing the day will come when you see the kingdom.The signs of the fruits become evident to, which would also be more assurance.
I still just can't boast in those infirmities knowing that I'm trusting in assurance. And character change.
It's a hard thing for me to do.
But I can say with confidence that The lord is true to his word, if that makes sense.
This is why I believe it is so important to understand the spiritual nature of salvation. There is a supernatural transaction between God and an individual that gives the individual spiritual life. In the old days it was called conversation.
As part of this transaction, God places His Spirit in us and we are forever His. Romans 8...nothing shall separate us. Hebrews 13...He will never forsake us. This is the depth and character of God's commitment to us. We will often fail but God will never be unfaithful to us.
Also, as a part of this transaction, we are able to hear and understand and see and perceive. This allows us to interact with God as He is at work in the world and merely enjoy times of seclusion in His real and felt presence. The God who really is there is there for us to know and interact with. This is the eternal life spoken of in John 17:3. It is communion with the Father through the Son and by the Holy Spirit. It is what Jesus was referring to in John 14 and demonstrated in John 15. It is what Adam and Eve experienced before the fall but to a lesser degree.
This is what Paul counted all things as loss to know and experience. It is the life of God hidden in Christ enabled through the Spirit and to be enjoyed by every believer.
If one has not experienced what I am referring to it doesn't mean they are not a Christian. It does mean, however, there is much more to a real and vital relationship with Christ than that which you have known.
Many can not bring themselves to accept the word of God...
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:20
So what's your point, we're saved by faith and works? Just want to make sure I'm clear on the version of God's word you're peddling.
Paul was addressing the error that the OT mandate of circumcision was required in addition to the NT rebirth instructions first given on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2)
I would that you had continued through verse 13...For it is God at work in you, willing and doing of His good pleasure.
Faith without works is dead according to the word:
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:26
The mere fact you're working so hard to evade my direct question tells me all I need to know. I don't have time to waste with these mind games. Goodbye.
John 6:63
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
( if Moses doesn’t do his part obeying the word of faith nothing will happen )
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days: they saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.”
Exodus 10:21-23 KJV
Gods word is always true if we act like it’s true that’s faith
faith is strengthened by God within us as we continuously rely on Him. And it seems we turn to God when the going gets tough ... but have you ever turned to God in times of joy? ... include God in the good times???
yes, He is faithful Who promised ...Fundaamental said:
Hebrews 10:22-23 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)
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John 5:24
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
Isaiah 51:4-5 KJV
“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
Isaiah 55:3
“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
1 Peter 1:23, KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
There’s always more that’s what the op is pointing to
The ot is a pattern of the new like circumcision
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:10-13 KJV
This is spoken to those who had chosen to be baptized to teach them what it meant when they got baptized , it’s tantamount to circumcision in the ot same purpose but reality rather than a blueprint
I do not believe water baptism is required. There is one baptism that matters (Eph 4:5) and that's baptism in the Holy Spirit, the Christian new birth.