Obama's call for gay rights makes history

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Following the law of nature is only applicable if you follow john lockeif im not mistaken. Regardless of that though..someone else's homosexual relationship has no application towards my lifestyle as a christian

Yes, and it's a Lockean-esque natural law theory of jurisprudence that serves as the basis of constitutional government and law-making in countries such as the United States, if I'm not mistaken.

The case against gay marriage isn't just "the Bible says so!!1!11@"; it isn't just about Christianity or the Bible - the campaign for homosexual marriage is an attack on a much wider front, challenging our legal history and traditions. It's an absurdity in light of nearly four centuries of English jurisprudence and philosophy of government.
 
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see zone I try to like your posts but then you post random things like that...cryptic digs but no real info...
 
see zone I try to like your posts but then you post random things like that...cryptic digs but no real info...
Naut...it's not a dig bud.
it isn't.

what we are living through right now is something that was planned for, particularly you in the US, a long time ago.
it has been incrementally introduced.
your parents were born into it, and so were their parents.

they didn't know it (only in part)...that's why we heard things like "back in our day, we"

and your parents didn't know it. and neither do you.

that's the point. it's hidden, unless you know it's there - the Great Transition, i mean.

some ppl have studied us, and have understood that human beings are adaptable..we adapt to whatever we are born into, and we come to believe that this is the way it always was. or that were are actually "progressing", but that progessing is done by catastrophic means....they call it "creative destruction". in order to overthrow Logos (God's Order), they must destroy everything about it....

we are taught slowly...each generation is brought up to believe theirs in THE ONE......we are told that there is no way to know why things are the way they are, and that events happen randomly....

and that men, particularly those we 'place in power' (actually we don't place them, we're just taught to think we do) to manage the world are doing the best they can with what comes at them.

that they are reacting to events as they happen, or after they happen.

nothing is further from the truth. the ppl who are at the top...(hegemony) want to stay there.
they truly and honestly believe they are a different species from the rest of us.
they truly believe were are animals, below them in creative (or evolved) rank.

so, they have planned...for a long long time how to stay in their positions of wealth and power.
i'm not against wealth and power. but in this case, what we are dealing with are people who are not content with just wealth and power. they want absolute and complete lock-down - full spectrum dominance. history has shown us what happens when they seize power of a nation.
they don't want ti because they think it'll make a better or safer world. they want it because there is something really wrong with them.

they are what we call psychopaths. no conscience - it has been seared. they have no feeling or empathy for you (or gays or anyone else).
they don't have feelings.

they truly and for certain, refer to us as animals to be farmed.
they manage us as a herd. the mark us; sell and trade us; and loot us and then want us dead.

what they do not know, of course (though the hightest ranking of them actually do know, but suppress it) is that they only have the power and ability to do to us what God has allowed.

everytime they hurt or kill a weak or oppressed person...or worse, a christian, a person purchased by the sacrifice of Christ (one of the least of these), they witness to themselves, to us, and to God that this saying is true:

Proverbs 8:36
But whoever fails to find me harms himself; all who hate me love death."

because they hate Jesus more than anything else, they are reprobate (cut off) and left to complete depravity.
but because they want IT ALL....they are bringing us down to worse than animals - they have: it's what they believe we are.

they are the insane ones - but they think we are - and they are terrified of us.
that's why they have been building an internal police force within the US for over 30 years - to protect them - and to hurt us, when they decide the time is right to step forward.

they hate beauty, and happiness...especially when they see it in us. they hate it.

we are not far off from that now.
if you know what to look for, you can see it clearly.

and you can escape it - through Christ.
 
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I just discovered this thread, when I have the time I will try to read all the posts...
For now I just want to say about Obama's call for gay rights: BRAVO! :)
 
and what does any of that have to do with letting gays get married?
nothing.
homosexuals are getting married.
and homosexuals have protection under the Law.

now....will homosexuals be content with getting married by a magistrate?
or by (non)christian churches which already marry them?

or do you think this will eventually be legislated so that even christian pastors whose convictions will have them refuse to perform same-sex marriages, will be forced to do so or face fines or prison for persecution, discrimination or 'hate crimes'?

do you think it should be so legislated?

(btw: Naut....you missed the whole point intentionally maybe?)

the LGBTI community is being used. you don't seem to care enough about them to consider that possibility.
 
and what does any of that have to do with letting gays get married?

and i already know you are for homosexual couples adopting babies, or having them via surrogate.
so we ought to consider that implication for society as well.
kids raised by same-sex parents in homosexual relationships.
 
What about single parents raising kids, or parents who are divorced?

Also, what's the I stand for in LGBTI?
 
What about single parents raising kids, or parents who are divorced?

Also, what's the I stand for in LGBTI?

The whole thing stands for Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual,Transsexual,and Intersexed (Those born with both male and female tissue or mosaic or other abnormal XX or XY chromosomes)
 
What about single parents raising kids, or parents who are divorced?

Also, what's the I stand for in LGBTI?

Intersex

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single parent families are not ideal either....but they have been encouraged, and engineered on purpose.
we've been taught to test drive, that marriage is the last option after a life of fun and promiscuity.
this is damaging on every level.

God instituted marriage with one man-one woman for a reason.

kids need moms and dads...children are born either boys or girls. they each need a mom and a dad.
(which is even obvious to most animals)

families used to keep and care for extended members (grandparents, etc) so there was always tradition and structure.
men were men (husbands, fathers) and women were women (wives, mothers).

divorce was not supposed to be easy. for a reason.

certain groups found out that if you sexualize people early and they have sex outside marriage (multiple partners) they are far, far less likely to be able to bond in a marriage. < THIS WAS THE GOAL.

abolish the family unit. because in a family there is strength and a reason to hold to traditional beliefs and values.

recommended reading:

Marx Engels and the Abolition of the Family

http://www.csustan.edu/History/Faculty/Weikart/Marx-Engels-and-the-Abolition-of-the-Family.pdf < click


also:

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This is absolute madness, trying to make this socially acceptable for homosexuals and lesbians, knowing full well you placed your hand on that bible Obama and you made many oaths and vows, you're breaking every single rule in the bible as a bloody sinner.
 
so then should we start with outlawing divorces and remarriage? Maybe bring back some old testament dietary laws?
 
Ok so some things were done away with...mainly ones that make your life more enjoyable but not things you disagree with? Makes sense...
 
Ok so some things were done away with...mainly ones that make your life more enjoyable but not things you disagree with? Makes sense...
Your ignorance is astounding.

Do you understand anything about the ceremonial laws and the priesthoods?
 
Sigh, that again.

Step one: someone calls for hermetical consistency when dealing with Mosaic Law.

Step two: the other person rebuts by insulting him and citing 'ceremonial law' even though there is no such distinction in scripture.

Instead of 'ceremonial law' you should just say 'laws I don't like' because that distinction at least exists.
 
I haven't carefully read through all 17 pages of this so I do apologize if this has already been covered, but I have a question.

If gay marriage became legal (which it is in some states) and a church refuses to let them use their church building for the ceremony/wedding, could that church be sued with "discrimination"?
 
I haven't carefully read through all 17 pages of this so I do apologize if this has already been covered, but I have a question.

If gay marriage became legal (which it is in some states) and a church refuses to let them use their church building for the ceremony/wedding, could that church be sued with "discrimination"?

Section 7 of the SB 6239 says:

Consistent with the law against discrimination, chapter 49.60 RCW, no religious organization is required to provide accommodations, facilities, advantages, privileges, services, or goods related to the solemnization or celebration of a marriage unless the organization offers admission, occupancy, or use of those accommodations or facilities to the public for a fee, or offers those advantages, privileges, services, or goods to the public for sale.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/Senate Bills/6239.pdf < click


Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises

BY BEN JOHNSON
Fri Jan 13, 2012 20:48

OCEAN GROVE, New Jersey, January 13, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) - A New Jersey judge ruled against a Christian retreat house that refused to allow a same-sex civil union ceremony to be conducted on its premises, ruling the Constitution allows “some intrusion into religious freedom to balance other important societal goals.”

On Thursday, administrative judge Solomon A. Metzger ruled that religious liberty did not exempt the seaside retreat, which is associated with the United Methodist Church, from renting its facilities out for purposes that violate its moral beliefs...

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PRESTO.
 
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