Obedience REQUIRED
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Red Herring is a logical fallacy. It means you're trying to change the subject. Now, back to my question. It sounds like you're bearing false witness against me.
When a person sins they become separated from the Lord having reaped corruption
To say this is not true is to mock God according to Gal 6:7,8 which tells us when we sow to the flesh we reap corruption.
This is why the Lord put 1 John 1:9 in telling us if, IF we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us and CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS which is what happens to us when we sin, we reap corruption which is unrighteousness
At that point they must confess and forsake their sin to be back in right standing with the Lord.
Yes, this is key remaining faithful to the Lord as in continuing to abide In Christ.
Some people think they are abiding in Christ even when they sin which is not true.
Who said anything about being obedient outside of the Lord?
Only those abiding in Christ can be obedient.
Salvation is only applicable to those who obey the Lord.
Hebrews 5:9 - And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him
If one is not obeying the Lord then by default they are in obedience to the devil.
It's too bad that some seem to think we can turn away from the Lord and be obedient to the devil and still be saved.
If a person is obedient with their spirit, soul, and mind (understanding) then they won't be allowing their body to be doing sin.
Romans 12:1 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
1 Corinthians 6:20 - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
It works for me. I love Jesus, I am born again, my life is full because I know Him to be my life right now. Too many believers think that they have to suppress the bad and strive to be good. That is a recipe for failure and defeat. I learned the secret: "for me to live is Christ..."
Only those who are born again can see the kingdom of God. Catholic understanding of being born again is unbiblical. It's not a process. Either you are born again or you are not. I don't know if you are RC or not, but you come across as if you are. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Apparently we speak different languages. Grace and Peace.
The Passage you cited is talking about sowing. I didn't say anything about sowing.
it's not a vending machine.
Yes, it is true. To say otherwise is not to understand grace.
Were Zacharias and Elisabeth abiding in Christ? No. Were they blameless? Yes.
Jesus is perfect, not us.
Who believes that? I've never heard such a thing.
Wrong. Ever read Romans 7?
As I won't be able to say "I am saved" until I find my name is in the book of life, what are you basing your self-status on exactly ?
What accusation ?
The gospel isn't something you obey, as this is the gospel..."Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Not much to obey there.
Perhaps you meant, obey the commandments of the Lord and of His disciples for your conversion and to live a Godly life thereafter ?
Which seems a little ironic, given the title of the OP.
I'll follow the bibles directives, like..."But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another," (1 John 1:7)
And..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:3-6)
And..."And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him." (1 John 2:28-29)
Read it again.
I am glad you have returned to a favorable position on obedience being necessary for salvation.
Misinterpretations of scripture often rob men of the duty to collaborate with God for our own wellbeing.
By assigning everything to God, you make men mere puppets.
I beleive that God, through Jesus Christ, has provided everything we need to be raised to eternal life on the day of judgement.
But we have our part to do, ie., hearing, believing, and actually changing our sinful-self-centered ways to Godly ways of life.
God provided the means of being reborn, getting baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins; whereby we are immersed into Christ and into His death, burial, and are raised with Him to walk innewness of life.
Reborn from God's seed !
He certainly won't understand the deeper teachings, but I feel everyman knows he must turn from sin to find favor, and a relationship with God.
As the only works ever written about-in the bible- are the works of the Law, I have no problem being obedient to that which God has seen fit to keep being presented for 2000 plus years.
Repent from sinning.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. (And to destroy the old man so the new creature can be reborn)
Do this and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Makes me think of 1 John 2:4-5..."He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."