Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[Gr8grace]

Well, the first thing we need to do is be certain OUR standards match those of Scripture.

If the Bible says "Don't do it.", we can't override that by saying you shouldn't do it more than three times each month.

And I will add.........A conviction is not needed where the bible is specific in its command for the believer.

 

[Gr8grace]

Exactly! We were talking about judging others by their fruits.The more refined point of the chocolate analogy is that what I consider fruits may not look at all like what God considers fruits. Possibly God can even see fruits I can't see. Here is an example that might shed some light.
James 2:25King James Version (KJV)[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

How many of us would have considered her works Godly fruits? Might we possibly have even judged her a traitor by our standards?

Its sad. Most of us would of strung her up.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Exactly! We were talking about judging others by their fruits.The more refined point of the chocolate analogy is that what I consider fruits may not look at all like what God considers fruits. Possibly God can even see fruits I can't see. Here is an example that might shed some light.
James 2:25King James Version (KJV)[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

How many of us would have considered her works Godly fruits? Might we possibly have even judged her a traitor by our standards?

SO are you saying rahab wasn't an adulteress according to the chocolate methodology or that you are going to stick with the chocolate methodology because it is more comfortable than for you than the specific dictate of the word of God.

 

[shotgunner]

SO are you saying rahab wasn't an adulteress according to the chocolate methodology or that you are going to stick with the chocolate methodology because it is more comfortable than for you than the specific dictate of the word of God.

Nope! I seem to have lost you somewhere along this winding way.

The thing about the chocolate was that who is to say who is the glutton? Whoever gets less is going to judge the other because he took more than was considered proper. That person will judge someone else by his standards.

That analogy was meant to mirror how we judge the fruit of others by our standard of what is really good fruit. God may have a different standard of what he considers good fruit.

The example of Rahab was an example of fruit that some of us may not have even considered good fruit had we been there, yet James says she was justified by that fruit.

 

[Willie-T]

SO are you saying rahab wasn't an adulteress according to the chocolate methodology or that you are going to stick with the chocolate methodology because it is more comfortable than for you than the specific dictate of the word of God.

Well, considering who she married, and who she gave birth to, and how all this put her into the birth line of Jesus, it seems difficult to condemn her for going with the spirit rather than the letter. (assuming you are talking about telling a lie.) After all, Abraham did it, too.

 

[sydlit]

Well, considering who she married, and who she gave birth to, and how all this put her into the birth line of Jesus, it seems difficult to condemn her for going with the spirit rather than the letter. (assuming you are talking about telling a lie.) After all, Abraham did it, too.

willie, ben, violet, gr8ce, etc. Thx for your posts before, took time, your wisdom shows thru. Disappointed when I came back and limpet left, she really helped. Hope whatever the controversy was got settled and she comes back. Sorry to interrupt here, but just wanted to say thanks, all. And yes, praise the Lord, Jesus did die for all my sins, past, present, future, just as scripture prophesied. And He rose from the grave, God proving His acceptance and approval, also in accordance with scripture. I could go on, but I've interrupted too much already. Just, thank you, Jesus, and thanks posters here. Can't wait to read more and maybe contribute.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Well, considering who she married, and who she gave birth to, and how all this put her into the birth line of Jesus, it seems difficult to condemn her for going with the spirit rather than the letter. (assuming you are talking about telling a lie.) After all, Abraham did it, too.

Um NO Willi... apparently you are just commenting randomly to the comment vs. FOLLOWING the progressive question from my original comment... but I do suspect you KNOW that.

 

[Willie-T]

willie, ben, violet, gr8ce, etc. Thx for your posts before, took time, your wisdom shows thru. Disappointed when I came back and limpet left, she really helped. Hope whatever the controversy was got settled and she comes back. Sorry to interrupt here, but just wanted to say thanks, all. And yes, praise the Lord, Jesus did die for all my sins, past, present, future, just as scripture prophesied. And He rose from the grave, God proving His acceptance and approval, also in accordance with scripture. I could go on, but I've interrupted too much already. Just, thank you, Jesus, and thanks posters here. Can't wait to read more and maybe contribute.

Limpet's problem is with me. I honestly don't recall what it was, it seemed that unimportant to me, but she pretty well seems to think I am lower than snail excrement.... which is on the bottom of the ocean.

 

[Willie-T]

Um NO Willi... apparently you are just commenting randomly to the comment vs. FOLLOWING the progressive question from my original comment... but I do suspect you KNOW that.

No, actually, I don't. All I've seen is that maybe you are attempting to justify some sort of judging?

 

[sydlit]

Limpet's problem is with me. I honestly don't recall what it was, it seemed that unimportant to me, but she pretty well seems to think I am lower than snail excrement.... which is on the bottom of the ocean.

Wow, don't know how I missed all that! Maybe go re-read, but no, I don't want to know. Rest and refresh. Onward and upward. Peace.

 

[Gr8grace]

Um NO Willi... apparently you are just commenting randomly to the comment vs. FOLLOWING the progressive question from my original comment... but I do suspect you KNOW that.

Where the bible is specific in its commands for the believer, we don't need a convicting ministry from anything.

Don't murder, means don't murder. The word has a command for it.

Gluttony is a whole different matter. It is relative to a situation.

A teenager or a person with High metabolism, a athlete, a person who has not eaten for days can eat a whole lot more than an office worker who sits all day.

Where the bible is not specific in Its commands, the believer uses his or her own discernment.

 

[VioletReigns]

SO are you saying rahab wasn't an adulteress according to the chocolate methodology or that you are going to stick with the chocolate methodology because it is more comfortable than for you than the specific dictate of the word of God.

Dictate schmictate! That word isn't even in the Bible. That's religious dogma language.

Hebrews 11:31 - By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she welcomed the spies in peace.

Rahab the prostitute had faith.
Rahab the prostitute did not perish.
Rahab the prostitute wasn't counted with the disobedient.
Rahab the prostitute gave a friendly welcome to the spies.
Rahab the prostitute is listed in the Heroes of Faith in Hebrews 11 along with Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David and Samuel and the prophets.

That's God's Word. But only by the spirit can one understand what it means. The carnal mind would condemn her because they are judging her of the flesh. God knows the heart. She was welcoming to the spies because she had faith in what God was doing.

 

[BarlyGurl]

You are right Violet... the word dictate is not in the bible and neither is "trinity" but you know this is a biblical principal RIGHT???

Maybe you can get some help with the application of the word "dictates"... perhaps your husband?

So the rest of your post is just another REALLY BIG comment of you attempting to vilify me in front of others twice in two threads in like 15 minutes... careful... your blood pressure!!!!!

 

[Gr8grace]

You are right Violet... the word dictate is not in the bible and neither is "trinity" but you know this is a biblical principal RIGHT???

Maybe you can get some help with the application of the word "dictates"... perhaps your husband?

So the rest of your post is just another REALLY BIG comment of you attempting to vilify me in front of others twice in two threads in like 15 minutes... careful... your blood pressure!!!!!

So what is your point in this thread? I see some very solid teaching on the subject at hand and clear simple explanations.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Where the bible is specific in its commands for the believer, we don't need a convicting ministry from anything.

Don't murder, means don't murder. The word has a command for it.

Gluttony is a whole different matter. It is relative to a situation.

A teenager or a person with High metabolism, a athlete, a person who has not eaten for days can eat a whole lot more than an office worker who sits all day.

Where the bible is not specific in Its commands, the believer uses his or her own discernment.

Thank you Gr8grace... you are getting at what I was asking.
The word does have a command for DO NOT MURDER which is specific... and then we discuss in other threads "just cause" "self-defense", "capital punishment" and then.... Jesus specified that Murder in Matt. 5:22.


So wouldn't you say the "cut and dry" sort of distinction you made in the post I am commenting to ... isn't really as applicable as it seemed at first presentation?

 

[BarlyGurl]

Nope! I seem to have lost you somewhere along this winding way.

The thing about the chocolate was that who is to say who is the glutton? Whoever gets less is going to judge the other because he took more than was considered proper. That person will judge someone else by his standards.

That analogy was meant to mirror how we judge the fruit of others by our standard of what is really good fruit. God may have a different standard of what he considers good fruit.

The example of Rahab was an example of fruit that some of us may not have even considered good fruit had we been there, yet James says she was justified by that fruit.

Yes, thank you Shotgun... It's true... I am a linear thinker and I WAS trying to understand... and yes... to me it seems winding... which basically equates CONVOLUTED to me.

 

[Gr8grace]

Thank you Gr8grace... you are getting at what I was asking.
The word does have a command for DO NOT MURDER which is specific... and then we discuss in other threads "just cause" "self-defense", "capital punishment" and then.... Jesus specified that Murder in Matt. 5:22.


So wouldn't you say the "cut and dry" sort of distinction you made in the post I am commenting to ... isn't really as applicable as it seemed at first presentation?

I wouldn't agree. There is a big difference between murder and killing.

God never changes the nations laws for believers and unbelievers alike. Capitol punishment never changes,defense of a nation never changes, protection of personal freedom never changes.

The murderer can justifiably be killed.

 

[BarlyGurl]

I wouldn't agree. There is a big difference between murder and killing.

God never changes the nations laws for believers and unbelievers alike. Capitol punishment never changes,defense of a nation never changes, protection of personal freedom never changes.

The murderer can justifiably be killed.

Okay... yes I see what your saying but I don't see that your response includes the Matt.5:22 reference which is a vital component of point I was attempting to convey?

 

[VioletReigns]

You are right Violet... the word dictate is not in the bible and neither is "trinity" but you know this is a biblical principal RIGHT???

Maybe you can get some help with the application of the word "dictates"... perhaps your husband?

So the rest of your post is just another REALLY BIG comment of you attempting to vilify me in front of others twice in two threads in like 15 minutes... careful... your blood pressure!!!!!

I actually don't use the word trinity either. In fact, Biblical principles isn't in my vocab either. I just have a simple relationship with Jesus Christ whereas I know He's always right.

As for my husband, he's with the Lord now. In fact, I introduced him to Jesus Christ some time back and I've never seen someone rejoice so much in meeting Christ Jesus! It was amazing!! \/ He was a huge biker dude and to witness him in such rapturous joy like a child was such a privilege and a blessing! Man, was he a happy camper in Christ! Now he's with God face-to-face. Hallelujah!

I don't have high blood pressure and I'm not angry at you. I'm just posting like everyone else. I don't know why you're perceiving that I'm your enemy. I wish you wouldn't.

 

[Gr8grace]

Okay... yes I see what your saying but I don't see that your response includes the Matt.5:22 reference which is a vital component of point I was attempting to convey?

I guess, I am not following you. There is discipline for the believer in that verse and the judgement for the unbeliever who scorns our witness for Christ.