Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The context is about being prepared for His return, and if the oil stands for the Holy Spirit then that would clearly be another example in scripture showing we have to do something to receive Him.

Hince:

Acts 5:32[/B]
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.[/B]

Yes, it's called faith. But it's more than just receiving him through faith. It's abiding in him through faith always. That's why the foolish virgins were cast out. They received the spirit through faith, but didn't abide in it through faith. You can't abide in the spirit through doing works of law. Completely unscriptural.

 

[KennethC]

Yes, it's called faith. But it's more than just receiving him through faith. It's abiding in him through faith always. That's why the foolish virgins were cast out. They received the spirit through faith, but didn't abide in it through faith. You can't abide in the spirit through doing works of law. Completely unscriptural.

Nobody is talking about doing works of the law, would you and others please stop throwing that around ???

Again doing as the Lord taught and commanded in the gospel books (His righteousness) is not the works of the law. We need to learn to get around that thinking before this can go any further, because some have been lead to think this way.

That if the works of the Law (written ordinances of the Mosaic laws) don't have to be obeyed, then neither does our Lord Jesus teachings and commands. That is flawed thinking and faith is established in hearing the word and trusting in what it says in His words on what to do which shows repentance for sins has to be made and then being baptized into Christ, then the Holy Spirit is given. Acts show this same process in the faith a few times, the only other time the Holy Spirit is shown received before this is to prove to the Jews the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord as them.

 

[MarcR]

I think some of us may occasionally loose sight of the fact that Jesus does NOT forgive our sins individually as we confess them. All sins, ours and everyone else's were forgiven altogether on the cross.

To benefit from that forgiveness, it is necessary to confess and repent of our sin [not sins] ask for forgiveness, and accept Jesus' Lordship (Ownership). This is a one time event that lasts forever.

If we have a persistent sin that we have difficulty with; it is a good idea to specifically confess it and ask Jesus help in turning from it.

When we truly accept Jesus Lordship, we receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, who changes our desires so that we want to please and honor God with our lives.

When we receive Salvation, we are saved from the penalty of sin; but, the propensity to sin is not yet removed.

That is the basis of the Spiritual warfare within us. The Holy spirit will empower us to resist sin when we remember to enlist His help; but we often lack the discipline to remember to enlist his help.

If we confess our sin [not sins] periodically, especially when we are aware of our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think some of us may occasionally loose sight of the fact that Jesus does NOT forgive our sins individually as we confess them. All sins, ours and everyone else's were forgiven altogether on the cross.

To benefit from that forgiveness, it is necessary to confess and repent of our sin [not sins] ask for forgiveness, and accept Jesus' Lordship (Ownership). This is a one time event that lasts forever.

If we have a persistent sin that we have difficulty with; it is a good idea to specifically confess it and ask Jesus help in turning from it.

When we truly accept Jesus Lordship, we receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, who changes our desires so that we want to please and honor God with our lives.

When we receive Salvation, we are saved from the penalty of sin; but, the propensity to sin is not yet removed.

That is the basis of the Spiritual warfare within us. The Holy spirit will empower us to resist sin when we remember to enlist His help; but we often lack the discipline to remember to enlist his help.

If we confess our sin [not sins] periodically, especially when we are aware of our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

We should also confess these struggles to others. Not just God. If we want healing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nobody is talking about doing works of the law, would you and others please stop throwing that around ???

Again doing as the Lord taught and commanded in the gospel books (His righteousness) is not the works of the law. We need to learn to get around that thinking before this can go any further, because some have been lead to think this way.

That if the works of the Law (written ordinances of the Mosaic laws) don't have to be obeyed, then neither does our Lord Jesus teachings and commands. That is flawed thinking and faith is established in hearing the word and trusting in what it says in His words on what to do which shows repentance for sins has to be made and then being baptized into Christ, then the Holy Spirit is given. Acts show this same process in the faith a few times, the only other time the Holy Spirit is shown received before this is to prove to the Jews the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord as them.

But you are talking about doing works of law because that is what the 10 commandments are; they are the law of GOD. You and others don't like it when we call it that because it exposes your doctrine for what it is: another gospel, i.e., trying to enter in through some other door than grace through faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody is talking about doing works of the law, would you and others please stop throwing that around ???

Again doing as the Lord taught and commanded in the gospel books (His righteousness) is not the works of the law. We need to learn to get around that thinking before this can go any further, because some have been lead to think this way.

That if the works of the Law (written ordinances of the Mosaic laws) don't have to be obeyed, then neither does our Lord Jesus teachings and commands. That is flawed thinking and faith is established in hearing the word and trusting in what it says in His words on what to do which shows repentance for sins has to be made and then being baptized into Christ, then the Holy Spirit is given. Acts show this same process in the faith a few times, the only other time the Holy Spirit is shown received before this is to prove to the Jews the Gentiles have the same right to salvation through the Lord as them.

No that is not what is infuriating.

What is infuriating is to say any of Gods commands are any more or less important than any other. All of Gods commands are to be obeyed, Not just those in the law. But those in the NT.

Scripture says those who are saved by God, born of his spirit, are those who obey his commands, He is not just saying NT commands, He means all of them, OT NT no difference. They obey them, because they are given Gods power to do so. Not because of ANYTHING in themselves

so if your going to preach obedience, Stop separating them, because they all are commanded.

 

[MarcR]

We should also confess these struggles to others. Not just God. If we want healing.

I agree! In fact, we are told: James 5:16
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
KJV

 

[Mec99]

KennethC, you are teaching Salvation by WORKS!

You are teaching our keeping our Salvation by WORKS!

Like i said before i really doubt your receiving Salvation because you REJECT the Truth in the Scriptures to teach WORKS.

The Law was given to show us our sins. The Law was not given for Salvation like you teach.

Romans 4:1-6
[SUP]1 [/SUP] What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? " AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works:
Abraham was Justified by FAITH! Not by Works like you teach.


Like i said everything you teach comes from the Catholic Church. All you are teaching are false Doctrines from the Catholic Church.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If someone says that since the same GOD that spoke in the old testament is the same GOD that spoke in the new testament and GOD does not change then they should do all of what GOD said for them to do in the old testament

and not say as long as I tried GOD will give me Grace because what you are really doing is trying to serve GOD with your flesh

or to put it bluntly you are trying to mix law with Grace.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If someone says that since the same GOD that spoke in the old testament is the same GOD that spoke in the new testament and GOD does not change then they should do all of what GOD said for them to do in the old testament

and not say as long as I tried GOD will give me Grace because what you are really doing is trying to serve GOD with your flesh

or to put it bluntly you are trying to mix law with Grace.

Yep. The truth that God does not change in who He is, is thought to mean God who must always act as He has acted in the past. If God said something in the past, then what He has said must always remain applicable. That is the error in thinking that causes the mixing of the old way of Law with the new way of Grace....but they cannot be mixed. And the attempt to do so only ends up making a mess of everything.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yep. The truth that God does not change in who He is, is thought to mean God who must always act as He has acted in the past. If God said something in the past, then what He has said must always remain applicable. That is the error in thinking that causes the mixing of the old way of Law with the new way of Grace....but they cannot be mixed. And the attempt to do so only ends up making a mess of everything.

And that's why JESUS came because GOD's WORD didn't change but if man were to try and keep GOD's perfect standard of righteousness talking about the law and not keep it perfectly then trying is not acceptable it has to be perfect so it's either work or a gift but not both.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And that's why JESUS came because GOD's WORD didn't change but if man were to try and keep GOD's perfect standard of righteousness talking about the law and not keep it perfectly then trying is not acceptable it has to be perfect so it's either work or a gift but not both.

Thats the problem, They refuse to admit that God and Moses both said perfect obedience was required, otherwise your under a curse.

so they water the law down to some form they think they can obey, And reject the fact God said you can't do it.. since you can not do it, Look to me for everything.. and I will show you have to be holy..

 

[shotgunner]

Thats the problem, They refuse to admit that God and Moses both said perfect obedience was required, otherwise your under a curse.

so they water the law down to some form they think they can obey, And reject the fact God said you can't do it.. since you can not do it, Look to me for everything.. and I will show you have to be holy..

That's the danger of it. In trying to keep it in any form a person will look to that law and judge themselves by it. This state is removed from grace because grace always says that you don't deserve it and can't earn it. Grace is dependent on the giver of grace. That's the faith that saves, the faith that is completely dependent on the one who gives grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the danger of it. In trying to keep it in any form a person will look to that law and judge themselves by it. This state is removed from grace because grace always says that you don't deserve it and can't earn it. Grace is dependent on the giver of grace. That's the faith that saves, the faith that is completely dependent on the one who gives grace.

Thats the point, No amount of law living would ever make you feel like you have lived a good life and are a righteous person.. If you feel this way and are living by law. You have decieved yourself, lied to yourself (about your sins) or watered down the law so much it is not even a law anymore

 

[Mec99]

Its all has been about by FAITH. It was by Faith that Abraham followed God, it was by Faith that Abraham accepted God as his Lord and Savior, not by Works! And its by our Faith that we do Works of the Faith for God.

This is the problem with many people like KennethC. They listen to what the World says and reject what the Scriptures say.

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, that no one should boast.

We are saved by Faith, not by Works like KennethC and the Catholic Church teaches. There is nothing we can do by our works for anything. Its all by Faith. If you have no Faith then yes you will fall into the trap of trying to do everything by your Works.

This is the difference between the 10 virgins. 5 of them had accepted God as their Lord and Savior by Faith, the other five thought they could do it by their Works and never accepted God as their Lord and Savior.

Clearly God teaches us there and many people who know about God but have never accepted God as their Lord and Savior. These are the people that KennethC is trying to convince us that they are True Christians who can lose their Salvation.

 

[BenFTW]

What has become of this thread? Does anyone have anything else to offer in regards to sin confession? Maybe a different angle on it? Something to consider is that sin confession in a way actually usurps Jesus' role as High Priest, does it not? Isn't it the high priest's duty to approach God for our sins? What part do we have but only to look to our Advocate? He is the mediator, right? What place do we have to confess our sins for forgiveness when He is the one who defends us? Not to mention our sin is washed in the blood of Christ already, therefore Jesus, it would seem, points to His finished work.

 

[FreeNChrist]

What has become of this thread? Does anyone have anything else to offer in regards to sin confession? Maybe a different angle on it? Something to consider is that sin confession in a way actually usurps Jesus' role as High Priest, does it not? Isn't it the high priest's duty to approach God for our sins? What part do we have but only to look to our Advocate? He is the mediator, right? What place do we have to confess our sins for forgiveness when He is the one who defends us? Not to mention our sin is washed in the blood of Christ already, therefore Jesus, it would seem, points to His finished work.

As the author of the quote in your OP used to say, "Until you rest in the finality of the Cross, you will never experience the reality of the resurrection".

 

[BenFTW]

As the author of the quote in your OP used to say, "Until you rest in the finality of the Cross, you will never experience the reality of the resurrection".

Do you know the original author?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Do you know the original author?

I do know him, Bob George.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What has become of this thread? Does anyone have anything else to offer in regards to sin confession? Maybe a different angle on it? Something to consider is that sin confession in a way actually usurps Jesus' role as High Priest, does it not? Isn't it the high priest's duty to approach God for our sins? What part do we have but only to look to our Advocate? He is the mediator, right? What place do we have to confess our sins for forgiveness when He is the one who defends us? Not to mention our sin is washed in the blood of Christ already, therefore Jesus, it would seem, points to His finished work.

No. The high priest's role was to confess the nation's sins on the day of atonement. Every other day it was every person's responsibility to confess their own sins and offer their own sacrifice. That is why we are admonished in Hebrews to confidently approach the throne of grace ourselves. The sacrifice has been offered; it merely awaits our confession.