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NO! The Holy Spirit is the driving force of faith. Lacking the Spirit, while continuing in religion, is what causes cults.
Semantics are a distraction from learning. If we pin our theology on a specific translation of an adjective, then we miss the big picture.
We all fail at translating. We all fail at understanding.
No one fully understands (not even close) the true plan of God. (anyone who thinks he has it figured out is more lost than the man who knows he's lost)
Learning/studying the Bible is important, but doing what the Word says cannot be disregarded while we are learning.
We should be prayerfully meditating on the Word, far more than we are taking it apart in a lexicon.
Semantics are a distraction from learning. If we pin our theology on a specific translation of an adjective, then we miss the big picture.
We all fail at translating. We all fail at understanding.
No one fully understands (not even close) the true plan of God. (anyone who thinks he has it figured out is more lost than the man who knows he's lost)
Learning/studying the Bible is important, but doing what the Word says cannot be disregarded while we are learning.
We should be prayerfully meditating on the Word, far more than we are taking it apart in a lexicon.
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then what tool are you using to decide that "Angel of the Lord" should be translated as "messenger of the Lord"? We all use many tools, such as lexicons, to study the Word of God.
Now you are showing yourself as here for only argument! I made a clear statement, and you divert attention away from the point being made. What I had said contradicts and destroyed your point, yet you ignore that to bring up what?
Now you are showing yourself as here for only argument! I made a clear statement, and you divert attention away from the point being made. What I had said contradicts and destroyed your point, yet you ignore that to bring up what?
Re: You are utterly clueless...
Ya think? Then also there is usually more than one meaning for Hebrew and Greek words just like English words, we call them homonyms. Tear (what you cry) and tear (a hole in your jeans). It is then up to the translators how they interpret it. Rarely but on occaision, they do not do the translation justice. That is when this comes into play...
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Ya think? Then also there is usually more than one meaning for Hebrew and Greek words just like English words, we call them homonyms. Tear (what you cry) and tear (a hole in your jeans). It is then up to the translators how they interpret it. Rarely but on occaision, they do not do the translation justice. That is when this comes into play...
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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Bowman took this thread very far off-topic like 2 pages ago. Let's see if we can get it back to Theophanies/Christophanies, which is where we left off.
oldhermit, I am under the assumption that the tongues of fire on the day of Pentecost were another visual manifestation of the 3rd person in the Trinity. I can see that you disagree. How do you view this passage?
oldhermit, I am under the assumption that the tongues of fire on the day of Pentecost were another visual manifestation of the 3rd person in the Trinity. I can see that you disagree. How do you view this passage?
If you remember what I said about the specific functions that scripture seems to attribute to each member of the Triadic Unity, the purpose of a theophany was to communicate the will of God, to the mind of man. Thus his designation of the Word of God." This is always the function of the Second Position. The Holy Spirit is always seen as the linking agent. One of the elements of this function is organization. This is what the Holy Spirit is doing in Acts 2. He is organizing what the Son has brought into existence - the Church.
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Heb 7:2.....For this Melchizedek ....to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of all ; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that King of Salem, which is king of Peace without father or mother, without decent having neither beginning of days or end of life, but made like unto the son of God, abideth a priest continually.Heb 3:14 for we are made partakers of Christ......While it is said ,today if you hear his voice harden not your heat as in the day of provocation ,,5:6 as he sayeth in another place thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. who in the days of his flesh when he had offered up prayers and supplication and strong crying and tears,,,(8)though he were a son.(11) Of whom we have many things to say and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing For when for the time ye ought to be teachers ye need that one teach you again. 1 Cor 10 :4 And did all drink that same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them; and that rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased> for they were over thrown in the wilderness.
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^from my understanding: this means that their faith in the coming Christ is what saved them. Not Abraham's faith in Melchizedek, but in God's promise to send Christ in the future.
His offering was a symbol of his faith in God. No sacrifice ever actually covered the sin, only symbolized faith in the One who was to come(who has already come to us as Jesus Christ) and His sacrifice covered all the sin of the faithful.
in other words: I don't think Melchizedek can be considered a Christophany, only a symbolic representation(a living prophecy).
His offering was a symbol of his faith in God. No sacrifice ever actually covered the sin, only symbolized faith in the One who was to come(who has already come to us as Jesus Christ) and His sacrifice covered all the sin of the faithful.
in other words: I don't think Melchizedek can be considered a Christophany, only a symbolic representation(a living prophecy).