Old wine and new wine., what is the difference? Luke 5: 38, 39.

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azamzimtoti said:
“No man, after experiencing the old covenant, wants to experience the new covenant"

I think that's exactly what he'saying K16 if you'd stopped at "new covenant", and I wouldn't quite describe it as "experiencing".

The analogy of the old garment is easier to understand - like old comfortable shoes, trying to repair them "seems" better than getting a new pair and 'breaking" them in.
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The old garment was the nation of Israel. They couldn’t handle the new covenant so the kingdom was given to ANOTHER nation.

We can agree to disagree because neither of us are going to change our minds lol. I still love you though. 😊
 
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One more thing. The flesh is made from clay. Bottles were made from clay. If new wine is put into to flesh (clay bottles) the bottles would burst. The Jews represent the first born, the church represents the second born. The new wine had to be put into NEW bottles.
 
KJV1611 said:
@azamzimtoti
One more thing. The flesh is made from clay. Bottles were made from clay. If new wine is put into to flesh (clay bottles) the bottles would burst. The Jews represent the first born, the church represents the second born. The new wine had to be put into NEW bottles.
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I think you are getting two specific here 16, we know that many of the nation were "made" into new wine skins, the old wine skins rejected the teachings and gospel
 
Nehemiah6 said:
OLD WINE = THE OLD COVENANT
NEW WINE = THE NEW COVENANT

Christians are not to mix the two covenants, since the New Covenant is far superior to the Old. Just as Christ is far superior to Moses.

HEBREWS 3: CHRIST MORE EXCELLENT THAN MOSES
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to Him that appointed Him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this Man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but He that built all things is God. [Note: a reference to God the Word as the Creator]
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
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I like this response.
 
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"If any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new". Luke 5: 38 is speaking about a new Nature that has to be imparted at conversion, that agree with the things of God before one can know them. Verse 39 is saying the old life to the lost, with it's pleasures, is more palatable than the restrictions of a the new life in Christ.
 
I suppose this parable could have different applications.

The parable is about the loss of things.

I think this parable matches this scripture:

Matthew 12:43-45
[43] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. [44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. [45] Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

If a believer takes this new wine (word of God), and attempts to put it into his old man; both the old man and the effect of the word on him will be lost. This same man then continues in a delusional state, thinking he is saved, and must resort to alternate, flesh pleasing, interpretations in order to hold on to the word and church ceremony.
 
tantalon said:
What does this parable mean?
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The literal interpretation: As new wine ferments, it generates carbon dioxide gas that exerts pressure on the skin bottles. New skins expand; old, inflexible ones burst under the pressure.

The illustrative interpretation: This illustration was part of Jesus’ answer as to why his disciples did not conform to all the old customs and practices of the Pharisees. Jesus evidently implied that the truth of Christianity was too powerful and energetic to be retained by the old system of Judaism, which lacked vitality and elasticity and which was fast passing away. (Mt 9:14-16)
 
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