Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Nice try, but Jesus is representing himself in John 20:17 which is why he said “I am ascending to my Father…”
So it follows that they would have framed his words exactly as he said. Probably something like this “Jesus said this, [insert quote here]”
So they would have known Jesus was ascending to his Father and God.
So it follows that they would have framed his words exactly as he said. Probably something like this “Jesus said this, [insert quote here]”
So they would have known Jesus was ascending to his Father and God.
It's neither a witch hunt nor is it 'being made personal'
Proper interpretation and understanding of scripture depends on knowing the divinity of Christ and knowing that all of scripture is testifying of Him.
So every Bible discussion needs to be grounded in these things if any Bible discussion is to be fruitful. If we need to go back to square one before we can profitably continue, wisdom is to find that out and address it before wasting time trying to, as it were, debate a college-level idea when elementary-school-level prerequisites are still lacking.
The basics need to be established before anything complex can be spoken of.
Proper interpretation and understanding of scripture depends on knowing the divinity of Christ and knowing that all of scripture is testifying of Him.
So every Bible discussion needs to be grounded in these things if any Bible discussion is to be fruitful. If we need to go back to square one before we can profitably continue, wisdom is to find that out and address it before wasting time trying to, as it were, debate a college-level idea when elementary-school-level prerequisites are still lacking.
The basics need to be established before anything complex can be spoken of.
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What is RM confused about now?
1Co 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Isa 41:4
Who has performed and done it,
Calling the generations from the beginning?
‘I, the LORD, am the first;
And with the last I am He.' ”
Isa 44:6
“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Isa 48:12
“Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
Rev 1:11
saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
Rev 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
Rev 2:8
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:
Rev 22:13
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Jhn 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion
Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
1Co 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Isa 41:4
Who has performed and done it,
Calling the generations from the beginning?
‘I, the LORD, am the first;
And with the last I am He.' ”
Isa 44:6
“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Isa 48:12
“Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
Rev 1:11
saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
Rev 1:17
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
Rev 2:8
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:
Rev 22:13
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Jhn 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion
Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
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I don't think so - maybe closer to either Arianism or semi-Arianism.
Modalism is the idea there isn't a Godhead of three distinct but equal persons all one, but that God has different aspects or modes that He appears in, and Christ is just one of them, like a mask or a costume.
Semi-Arianism denies co-equality, saying only the Father is God. It may or may not agree Christ is divine ((for some definition of divine that doesn't quite include being equal to God)) and may or may not say He is a created being, so not eternal. There are a lot of subtle varieties of it.
((iirc))
Modalism is the idea there isn't a Godhead of three distinct but equal persons all one, but that God has different aspects or modes that He appears in, and Christ is just one of them, like a mask or a costume.
Semi-Arianism denies co-equality, saying only the Father is God. It may or may not agree Christ is divine ((for some definition of divine that doesn't quite include being equal to God)) and may or may not say He is a created being, so not eternal. There are a lot of subtle varieties of it.
((iirc))
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And the Father referred to Jesus as God.
Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion
Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
1Co 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Isa 41:4
Who has performed and done it,
Calling the generations from the beginning?
‘I, the LORD, am the first;
And with the last I am He.' ”
Isa 44:6
“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion
Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
1Co 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Isa 41:4
Who has performed and done it,
Calling the generations from the beginning?
‘I, the LORD, am the first;
And with the last I am He.' ”
Isa 44:6
“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
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was Lazarus asleep or was Lazarus dead?
What does scripture say?
John 11:11-14
These things He said, and after that He said to them,
"Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up."
Then His disciples said,
"Lord, if he sleeps he will get well."
However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly,
"Lazarus is dead."
What does scripture say?
John 11:11-14
These things He said, and after that He said to them,
"Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up."
Then His disciples said,
"Lord, if he sleeps he will get well."
However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus said to them plainly,
"Lazarus is dead."
You just refuted OSAS. You’re referring to those who had a conscience to begin with and are now lost having their conscience seared as with a hot iron. It has to do with continual rejection of the Holy Spirit, willful sinning, until they don’t even feel any godly sorrow that leads them to repentance.
Glad to see you’re asking good questions .
Glad to see you’re asking good questions .
You just refuted OSAS. You’re referring to those who had a conscience to begin with and are now lost having their conscience seared as with a hot iron. It has to do with continual rejection of the Holy Spirit, willful sinning, until they don’t even feel any godly sorrow that leads them to repentance.
Glad to see you’re asking good questions .
Glad to see you’re asking good questions .
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This is often misinterpreted. I’ll rightly divide it now.
Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion
Simply put, Lord God Almighty doesn’t have a God over Him or companions to be anointed above. God is already supreme and sovereign.
If you pause and actually read it, it doesn’t even make sense because it’s mistranslated or is grammatically incorrect.
It would actually not strip God of His deity with two possible modifications.
First idea is put a comma after “therefore” which would allow it to keep grammatical consistency with referring to one God who is anointing someone lesser than Himself, not giving deference to someone greater than Himself.
Second use, given the context of Psalm 45 where the context is in reference to a human king, it’s possible to refer to him as a god rather than God. That would actually make sense.
Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companion
Simply put, Lord God Almighty doesn’t have a God over Him or companions to be anointed above. God is already supreme and sovereign.
If you pause and actually read it, it doesn’t even make sense because it’s mistranslated or is grammatically incorrect.
It would actually not strip God of His deity with two possible modifications.
First idea is put a comma after “therefore” which would allow it to keep grammatical consistency with referring to one God who is anointing someone lesser than Himself, not giving deference to someone greater than Himself.
Second use, given the context of Psalm 45 where the context is in reference to a human king, it’s possible to refer to him as a god rather than God. That would actually make sense.