Order of the trinity

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Re: Fail.

You have the entire Holy Bible to choose from.

For simpletons like yourself, Jesus' baptism makes the claim of three Persons; one Being....all in one simple verse.

Stop running.

[h=2]Is God Omnipresent?[/h]Correctly understood, the question of God’s omnipotence has historically caused little controversy. The term omnipresent, however, has caused more trouble. Basically, being omnipresent means being present everywhere at the same time. Can this term be applied to God? What does Scripture tell us?
Ask yourself: is there any physical location in this universe where we can hide from the presence of God? The answer, according to Scripture, is a resounding “No!” In fact, King David posed this question directly, asking: “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell [the grave], behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me” (Psalm 139:7–10).
David answers the question beautifully: it is futile to search for a place to hide from the presence of God (and it is unwise to try—just ask Jonah!). In this sense, God’s infallible word shows that He is omnipresent—within His vast creation, there is no place where you can hide from His presence.
Still, we must be careful with our terms! Many have tried to twist God’s omnipresence to portray Him as some kind of shapeless “blob”—even though the Bibleclearly shows that God has a body and a shape—and it is a shape like ours! Consider Genesis 1:26, which tells us that man is made in God’s image and likeness—words that do convey a sense of shape. We do not use human philosophies to avoid the clear statements of Scripture! Consider, as well, the passage in which God saysunambiguously that He has a face, a hand and a back (Exodus 33:18–23)! The only way to understand this passage from Exodus without making a mockery of God’s word is to agree that God has a shape and a body!
So, how is God “everywhere”? We already read the answer, in David’s words: “Where can I go from your Spirit?” (Psalm 139:7). It is by their Spirit that the Father and the glorified Christ have complete access to their creation! Through His Spirit, God’s reach extends to every nook and cranny of the universe, and there is—as David wrote—no place to flee from His presence. Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4).
We must also note that although God is omnipresent through His Spirit, we can become separated from Him. In fact, we are warned, “your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). Jesus Christ experienced this horrible separation during His crucifixion, when on our behalf He took upon Himself the full penalty of our sins (cf. Mark 15:34; Isaiah 53:4–5).
The world’s scholars and theologians often have a wrong idea about God’s omnipresence. But if we let God’s flawless word teach us what God’s omnipresence truly means, our footing is made sure.
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God is everywhere, in the known, and unknown universe. And the Spirit of God is infinite.

So much for your misunderstanding simple scripture as Matt 3:16, but you will learn there is One God the Father and begotten Son who are Spirit.
 
hypocrite...

seeing but you cannot see....your intellect has become a snare.....
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For behold your calling, brethren, that not many wise after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]and the base things of the world, and the things that are despised, did God choose, yea and the things that are not, that he might bring to nought the things that are:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]that no flesh should glory before God.


As you paste in yet ANOTHER English Trinitarian rendering of which YOU deny....rotflol...!!!

 
Re: Fail.

Is God Omnipresent?

Correctly understood, the question of God’s omnipotence has historically caused little controversy. The term omnipresent, however, has caused more trouble. Basically, being omnipresent means being present everywhere at the same time. Can this term be applied to God? What does Scripture tell us?
Ask yourself: is there any physical location in this universe where we can hide from the presence of God? The answer, according to Scripture, is a resounding “No!” In fact, King David posed this question directly, asking: “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell [the grave], behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me” (Psalm 139:7–10).
David answers the question beautifully: it is futile to search for a place to hide from the presence of God (and it is unwise to try—just ask Jonah!). In this sense, God’s infallible word shows that He is omnipresent—within His vast creation, there is no place where you can hide from His presence.
Still, we must be careful with our terms! Many have tried to twist God’s omnipresence to portray Him as some kind of shapeless “blob”—even though the Bibleclearly shows that God has a body and a shape—and it is a shape like ours! Consider Genesis 1:26, which tells us that man is made in God’s image and likeness—words that do convey a sense of shape. We do not use human philosophies to avoid the clear statements of Scripture! Consider, as well, the passage in which God saysunambiguously that He has a face, a hand and a back (Exodus 33:18–23)! The only way to understand this passage from Exodus without making a mockery of God’s word is to agree that God has a shape and a body!
So, how is God “everywhere”? We already read the answer, in David’s words: “Where can I go from your Spirit?” (Psalm 139:7). It is by their Spirit that the Father and the glorified Christ have complete access to their creation! Through His Spirit, God’s reach extends to every nook and cranny of the universe, and there is—as David wrote—no place to flee from His presence. Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4).
We must also note that although God is omnipresent through His Spirit, we can become separated from Him. In fact, we are warned, “your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). Jesus Christ experienced this horrible separation during His crucifixion, when on our behalf He took upon Himself the full penalty of our sins (cf. Mark 15:34; Isaiah 53:4–5).
The world’s scholars and theologians often have a wrong idea about God’s omnipresence. But if we let God’s flawless word teach us what God’s omnipresence truly means, our footing is made sure.
​
God is everywhere, in the known, and unknown universe. And the Spirit of God is infinite.

So much for your misunderstanding simple scripture as Matt 3:16, but you will learn there is One God the Father and begotten Son who are Spirit.

Jesus is not a Spirit in the heaven
 
Re: Fail.

You have the entire Holy Bible to choose from.

For simpletons like yourself, Jesus' baptism makes the claim of three Persons; one Being....all in one simple verse.

Stop running.

Who raised Jesus from the dead ? was God the Father or God the Son ? thanks
 
What is the significance of "First, Second, and Third person" in the trinity?

Where did the terminology "First, Second, and Third person" come from?

If they are coequal, coexistant, and coeternal, can I say that Jesus is the first person, the Holy Spirit is second, and the Father is third? Because in Revelation chapter 1 Jesus said I am the first and the last. Or can I say that Jesus is the third person?

it is in the order of revelation: First the Father then the Son and then the Holy Spirit. Both the Son and the Holy Spirit have placed the Father above them, this is God attempting to explain his being to a mortal human, good luck with understanding God.
 
Re: hypocrite...

As you paste in yet ANOTHER English Trinitarian rendering of which YOU deny....rotflol...!!!


see ...now I am sure you are blind......English Trinitarian rendering..... everything you see is ......English Trinitarian rendering......It is no longer scripture....what you have cannot even be called tunnel vision.....because you don't see the word of God you see ....English Trinitarian rendering......Doctrine of man you follow.......now you change the word of God to ...English Trinitarian rendering.....Great intellectual mind Bowman who trust his intellect and great wisdom and everyone else is a simpleton......another great English Trinitarian rendering teaching.....
 
Re: Fail.

Could you please provide scripture thanks


Who raised Jesus from the dead?

· God the Father… Acts 3.26; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10

· God the Son…John 2.19-22; 10.17-18; Romans 6.4

· God the Spirit…Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18

· The Trinity…Romans 10.9; Peter 1.20-21; Hebrews 13.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Col 2.11-12; Acts 2.23-24; 2.32; 3.14-15; 13.30-37





 
Re: hypocrite...

see ...now I am sure you are blind......English Trinitarian rendering..... everything you see is ......English Trinitarian rendering......It is no longer scripture....what you have cannot even be called tunnel vision.....because you don't see the word of God you see ....English Trinitarian rendering......Doctrine of man you follow.......now you change the word of God to ...English Trinitarian rendering.....Great intellectual mind Bowman who trust his intellect and great wisdom and everyone else is a simpleton......another great English Trinitarian rendering teaching.....


You practice hypocrisy each time that you post scripture, as the renderings that you post are rendered by Trinitarians...and you deny The Trinity.

Basically....you don't know what you are doing....
 
Re: Fail.

One God......
Does this me that we are god since we are one with Him ?
John 17:20-23King James Version (KJV)


20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;


21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
Re: Fail.

Does this me that we are god since we are one with Him ?
John 17:20-23King James Version (KJV)


20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;


21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.



No.

You are attempting to blend John 10 with John 17.

John 10 is clearly understood as Jesus being God, Himself....

I and the Father are One! Then again the Jews took up stones, that they might stone Him. Jesus answered them, I showed you many good works from My Father. For which work of them do you stone Me? The Jews answered Him, saying, We do not stone You concerning a good work, but concerning blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself God.(John 10.30 – 33)


John 17 makes absolutely no mention of His people being God, only being WITH God.


 
This thread turned into a debate about whether or not the Trinity actually exists. There are other threads for that. Let me restate the purpose for this thread:

I want people that believe in the trinity, and who are always calling the Father the "first person, the Son the "second person, and the Holy Ghost the "third person" to provide some scriptural evidence for the order of the trinity. I have seen people state what they believe it means or why they believe it is significant, but I have not seen any scriptural evidence as of yet. Now please don't mistake what I am saying. I am not asking for a word for word scripture that says "The Father is the first person....etc...etc.. I am simply saying give me biblical context for this terminology. Because trinitarians use this terminology ALL the time. What I am trying to prove is that you are using these terms out of tradition because that is what you have been taught but it is biblically incorrect. Now I am asking you to prove me wrong and show me that the scripture teaches this "triune order" of persons.
 
Scripture is clear Jesus Christ is God. Scripture is clear the Father is God. The Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Christ. Baptism is called for in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. God is manifest in three Persons in scripture, Trinity simply a name we've given that phenomenon. One cannot say there is no manifestation of God in three Persons in the Bible.

Just me speaking, I see no problem, at all, that a God which can dwell by His Spirit in all believers, as well as pervade the world in His ability to be omnipresent, can be made manifest to us in three Persons. We are talking about Almighty God here who, for all I know, could manifest Himself even more ways that haven't been revealed. We, as little men, can only be one place at a time, and generally only think little thoughts of our own. God suffers no such limitations.