That's true and it's even bigger than that. I don't know if people simply don't know their arguments are erroneous or if they just don't care. It may be both. What is disheartening is that so many won't even acknowledge it, let alone try to correct it. So they go on perpetuating erroneous teachings rather than seeking and speaking the truth.
OSAS true or false?
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That's true and it's even bigger than that. I don't know if people simply don't know their arguments are erroneous or if they just don't care. It may be both. What is disheartening is that so many won't even acknowledge it, let alone try to correct it. So they go on perpetuating erroneous teachings rather than seeking and speaking the truth.
That's how the twisting of Scripture goes. We shouldn't be surprised the Pharisees did the same thing.
Gotcha, because folks can show contrasts and comparisons in those places. And myself and InSpiritInTruth dont argue for OSAS I figured you were too.
God bless
King Agrippa tasted without swallowing.
Acts 26:26-28
26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
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Brother InSpiritIntruth of course this can be a most sensitive subject for many! So what I write to you, many can and probably will disagree, and that is ok by me. All I would ask is that you consider what I say and why I say it. ( matt 13:19-23) Many believe that before verse 23 these people are not saved to start with,but the Word does not say such.
In fact the word speaks upon those who do believe for a time,and the reason one changes is because something they allow happens to them. Some bring up heb 6:4-6 making a statement for both sides,but have you considered what Heb 6:4-6 is really talking about? Answer!! Gal 5:4!! Once I became enlightened to grace,I did have a choice whether to follow truth,or go back to works.
And if i choose to go back to works, many would say i was never saved in the first place,but how do they know? That would be judging me!( rom 2:1-4) No one has that right,and the only reason some would judge is because there doctrine comes into question.I do believe in some security! verse 23 of matt 13 is just that security! When a brother or a sister gets to verse 23, they are secure!
Because fruit comes from belief! God's grace is instructing! To really know grace one must be instructed!!( Titus 2:11-12!) for from instruction hope remains!( rom 15:13) in BELIEVING!!! Our work! Not God's work!( john 6:28-29) God's faith given through his grace is all HIS WORK!! Not ours!
But believing in his faith must come from us!( rom 10:10) It is why Jesus speaks so much to others about believing!( mark 6:4-6,mark 9:23-24,mark 5:35-36!)Among many others! Salvation only comes through Jesus!! YES!! But your belief in his salvation only comes from you! Hence why Philippians 2:12-13) God is always at work,but we in him must believe he is! And working to believe in what he has already done,does indeed take time to bear fruit in! A seed planted does not grow to a tree overnight! Nor do we brother.( phil 1:6) SO!!
Consider this in among ones studies,as of course i tell no one what to believe or not,I only speak upon what one may wish to indeed consider is all. It is not enough to say we believe,it is enough to bear fruit from's ones belief in what Jesus has already done!One final point to consider brother.( james 2:19-26) Abraham was not called a friend of God because he said he believed,he was called a friend of God because of the work he did because he believed!!
Belief has action! And so do we if we really believe! For how can one ever follow unless one is walking behind Jesus to follow? Jesus does not look back,nor does he expect his children to either!( luke 9:62!) Jesus has no need to look back,he already knows if we are behind him,and we have no need to look back either,because Jesus is always in front of us leading the way to his Kingdom! Blessing bro! For looking back,means going back,and we know what happened to one person because of that!!( gen 19:26!!) No pillar of salt for us bro!!
In fact the word speaks upon those who do believe for a time,and the reason one changes is because something they allow happens to them. Some bring up heb 6:4-6 making a statement for both sides,but have you considered what Heb 6:4-6 is really talking about? Answer!! Gal 5:4!! Once I became enlightened to grace,I did have a choice whether to follow truth,or go back to works.
And if i choose to go back to works, many would say i was never saved in the first place,but how do they know? That would be judging me!( rom 2:1-4) No one has that right,and the only reason some would judge is because there doctrine comes into question.I do believe in some security! verse 23 of matt 13 is just that security! When a brother or a sister gets to verse 23, they are secure!
Because fruit comes from belief! God's grace is instructing! To really know grace one must be instructed!!( Titus 2:11-12!) for from instruction hope remains!( rom 15:13) in BELIEVING!!! Our work! Not God's work!( john 6:28-29) God's faith given through his grace is all HIS WORK!! Not ours!
But believing in his faith must come from us!( rom 10:10) It is why Jesus speaks so much to others about believing!( mark 6:4-6,mark 9:23-24,mark 5:35-36!)Among many others! Salvation only comes through Jesus!! YES!! But your belief in his salvation only comes from you! Hence why Philippians 2:12-13) God is always at work,but we in him must believe he is! And working to believe in what he has already done,does indeed take time to bear fruit in! A seed planted does not grow to a tree overnight! Nor do we brother.( phil 1:6) SO!!
Consider this in among ones studies,as of course i tell no one what to believe or not,I only speak upon what one may wish to indeed consider is all. It is not enough to say we believe,it is enough to bear fruit from's ones belief in what Jesus has already done!One final point to consider brother.( james 2:19-26) Abraham was not called a friend of God because he said he believed,he was called a friend of God because of the work he did because he believed!!
Belief has action! And so do we if we really believe! For how can one ever follow unless one is walking behind Jesus to follow? Jesus does not look back,nor does he expect his children to either!( luke 9:62!) Jesus has no need to look back,he already knows if we are behind him,and we have no need to look back either,because Jesus is always in front of us leading the way to his Kingdom! Blessing bro! For looking back,means going back,and we know what happened to one person because of that!!( gen 19:26!!) No pillar of salt for us bro!!
By grace are ye saved through faith and not of works lest any should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto but to minister and to give His life a ransom for many.
Now if Christ is ministering our salvation how can it be lost. Is Jesus less than able to save? Is the blood of Christ somehow insufficient to atone for all of a mans sin? Is God so capricious as to save by grace and then snatch it back on a whim? Is God so foolish as to trust man whom He has restored to again ruin himself knowing that man ruined himself in the first place?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I used to believe the doctrine until I began to "study" the Scriptures and not just proof text them.
Im not troubled by it at all promise, just looking at it. I wouldnt dare bring a slanderous accusation against the devil let alone speak against the Holy Ghost, I dont see where we are encouraged to do either.
God bless
I think she thought you were saying my post was erroneous, but I understood what you were saying. No problems.
It wasn't bad numbers, but truly I did feel bad lying about it even though it was a taste it was still food....I knowingly lied and really do feel bad about it. I did ask God to forgive me and have decided that in the future if I made the same mistake I would not take the test.....
I know I joke around a lot but I am being serious on this question. When I knowingly lied and ask God to forgive me will He?
Not hard to agree with that.
Philippians 4:8 think on things that have virtue.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
perhaps i am misunderstanding tasting and swallowing.My bad.But nevertheless they wern't really saved so then hebrews 6 does not apply IMO
Yeah I did I just wanted to know the reason as I thought you could compare and contrast there.
But he made it clear, thanks, havent slept for nearly 36 hours Im S-L-O-W this evenin' sorry bout that LOL
God bless yous both
He is faithful and just to forgive our sins. 1 John 1:9 Even the ones we commit on purpose. Praise God His Holy Spirit is there to bring conviction when we do and to comfort when we make things right. Just another step in the journey to desire more of His marvelous presence in our lives.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In context, in Eph 2 Paul is contrasting being save by grace and being saved via the Mosaic Law. The other issue is a straw man. If God sets conditions for salvation then one must meet those conditions. It has no bearing on God or what Christ has done. One either meets the conditions or they don't.
Here's where the argument falls apart. Are the lost saved? I suspect you'll say no they are not. Now, I could ask all of the same questions that you asked above. The difference between the saved and the lost is that the saved have believed, thus they have met a condition. However, the saved have not yet been saved, that comes at the resurrection. The saved have been betrothed to Christ, they are not yet married.
2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. (2Co 11:2 NKJ)
Paul uses the analogy of marriage. What happened to a betrothed Jewish virgin if she was found to be unfaithful?
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. (Deu 22:23-24 KJV)
Well crafted dodge.
Does Christ minister our salvation? Does Christ minister our salvation eternally? Does Christ minister our salvation day and night before the Father in heaven?
If the Father has accepted the blood of Christ as full atonement for our sins and He has then how can we again be brought under the penalty of sin?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
No dodge, and you went right back to the straw man argument. There are conditions, if one meets them, they qualify, if they don't, they don't qualify. There's also a misconception here, where does Scripture say that God accepted Christ's atonement for our sins? Were your sins paid for or were they forgiven, it can't be both. The Scriptures are replete with forgiveness for sins, where do you see God requiring a payment?
By continuing on in sin. Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
I totally agree, I am free in Jesus. Hallelujah!
My point I was trying to make with...
"Thank you Father for knowing the hearts of man. We bow in awe of your Righteousness, of your Justness, of you Power. As your Word says, 'Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that you are God.' And thank you for coming after this one, and all of Your other 'ones'."
...is that God knows each person's heart, whether they are one of His or have turned from Him.
Indeed! Walking with Christ is simple and easy. God made it that way.
Some people just make it hard.
