OSAS, When does salvation take place?

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Drich said:
Carful..
The pharisees also accused Jesus of casting out demons using the power of Satan, and Jesus told them doing so they had committed the unforgivable sin.

Mat 12:
22 Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23 All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


Here in mat 7. Jesus did not say their works where illegitimate, only that they where not in the will of the Father in what they had done..

In Luke 11 Jesus sums up the will of the Father by Saying we must Love God with all of our ability to do so, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Meaning the sin these men committed was they broke the two greatest commands. So they may have legitly had the faith they needed to allow the Holy Spirit to work in them (Like Judas) But did not Love God or their fellow man as they should have.
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Please don't avoid the questions. You questioned whether miracles could be done apart from God. I gave you a scriptural reference where it happened. And the unforgivable sin is to ascribe to the Holy Spirit the actions of the evil one.
 
Drich said:
No the text literally "says" That these men referenced preaching in His NAME, and performing MANY Miracles, which included casting out demons.

We are given a picture of what this job of casting out demons included and faith in Christ/having to use Christ's name was a big part of that:

Acts 19:13-16​

13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.

How many miracles do you think they could do without belief in Jesus?
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The text also says, "I NEVER knew you."
 
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