PAGANIZATION OF THE CHURCH....Easter vs Resurrection Sunday

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We may see this differently, my friend. I see it as the celebration of being freed from spiritual Egypt, sin.

yes i do to,


to celebrate what Christ done for us, we keep the feast, a high Holy day.

and we have to leave egypt and come out of this world each of us.

to honor the passover, we keep the feast of unleavened bread
 
Not sure how that can work, that puts the resurrection on Sunday afternoon right about sunset.

That puts the resurrection anytime between entombment and arrival of the women on Sunday morning All on the first day of the week as foretold by Jesus. Being snide doesn't contribute to honest inquiry!
 
That puts the resurrection anytime between entombment and arrival of the women on Sunday morning All on the first day of the week as foretold by Jesus. Being snide doesn't contribute to honest inquiry!

Not being snide at all. If Christ was in the tomb three days and three nights, then a burial at sunset requires a resurrection at sunset. So, if we look at a Thursday burial (at sunset), we come up with a Sunday resurrection at about sunset.
 
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Not being snide at all. If Christ was in the tomb three days and three nights, then a burial at sunset requires a resurrection at sunset. So, if we look at a Thursday burial (at sunset), we come up with a Sunday resurrection at about sunset.

That would be true if Jesus had not specified resurrection ON NOT AFTER the third day
 
That would be true if Jesus had not specified resurrection ON NOT AFTER the third day

Ah but He gave more than one specification...

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Mar 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mat 17:23 and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up." And they were exceedingly sorrowful.

Within three days, after three days and on the third day. Now add this...

Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

And there is really only one period of time that can satisfy all the statements: 72 hours. So if He were buried at about sunset, He arose around sunset.
 
Revelation 12:9,verse reveals that the whole world has been deceived!
And 2 Corinthians 4:4 corroborates this.

Satan is not only very real, he is also incredibly successful:
He has deceived not only atheists and non-Christians, but almost all Christians as well!

Satan did not accomplish this feat by denying Christ outright.
He did it by creating a great false church

—one that still bears Christ’s name today. Counterfeit Christianity

The origin of that counterfeit Christianity is recorded in Acts 8.

Two years after Jesus founded the Church of God,
the deacon Philip went to Samaria and preached Christ’s gospel.

Samaria was dominated by the influence of Simon,
a sorcerer who had bewitched the inhabitants (Acts 8:9-11).

Along with the crowd, Simon himself came to hear what Philip had to say.

When Simon’s followers believed Philip, who was preaching Christ and the Kingdom of God,
what did they do? Acts 8:12. Did Simon join them? Verse 13.


When the apostles Peter and John came to Samaria to lay hands on the newly baptized so t
hey could receive the Holy Spirit, what did Simon try to do? Verses 18-19. How did Peter respond? Verses 20-23.


Though he had been baptized, Simon was not converted to true Christianity—
he attempted to buy what he thought was the power to impart God’s Spirit.
Peter knew this man’s attitude was totally wrong; he only wanted more power to further exalt himself!


This request was insincere—far from repentance from such an evil mindset.

The account ends there. But Simon’s work did not.
 
The sorcerer went on to proclaim himself an apostle. He proclaimed the name of Jesus Christ. He accepted the doctrine of “grace” for forgiveness of sin, something the pagan religions never had.

He even called his religion “Christianity.” But he mixed these “Christian” ideas with his own pagan Babylonian mystery religion! Using the power of Christ’s name, he taught un-Christian doctrines. He turned the doctrine of grace into a license to sin (Jude 4) and aspired to turn his counterfeit religion into a universal faith that would gain political rule over the world!

Simon—the “Pater,” or father, of this counterfeit religion—did not accomplish his goal in his lifetime. But succeeding leaders, with the church’s headquarters moved to Rome, did later gain political control over the Roman Empire and its medieval successor, the “Holy Roman Empire.”

(This empire is again being resurrected in Europe now!)

Even in that first century, Simon’s religion grew rapidly. The Apostle Paul indicated that by the 60s a.d., much of the Middle East had turned from the true gospel to a clever counterfeit! (Galatians 1:6-7).

This “Christian” counterfeit is actually the source of easter, mary worship, the trinity doctrine and others!
 
Ah but He gave more than one specification...

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Mar 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mat 17:23 and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up." And they were exceedingly sorrowful.

Within three days, after three days and on the third day. Now add this...

Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

And there is really only one period of time that can satisfy all the statements: 72 hours. So if He were buried at about sunset, He arose around sunset.

While the Gospels were written in Greek, the timeframe is from the Jewish calendar.

In Hebrew idiom, mention of a day is satisfied by any part of a day so if Jesus arose before sunrise the third day (actually the first) could have been satisfied by the time between entombment and sundown Thursday.
 
some of Gods warning about another gospel being preached

2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Jesus Christ warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4–5).

"There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:7).

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you
than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8–9).

For (false Christs) and (false prophets shall rise), and shall shew signs and wonders,
to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV)

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Beware of (false prophets), which come to you in (sheep's clothing),
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Matthew 7:15)

As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that
you may (charge certain persons) not to teach (any different doctrine),(1 Timothy 3)

But there were (false prophets) also among the people, even as there shall be (false teachers among you),
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1)

These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow
their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them.(Jude 1:19)
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation
has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.(2 Peter 2:3)

a man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years, amazing the people of Samaria
and claiming to be someone great.

Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as “the Great One—the Power of God.”
They listened closely to him because for a long time he had astounded them with his magic.Acts 8:9-10)

These are the things you are to teach and insist on.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 1 Timothy 6:3

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith;
they will follow deceptive spirits and (teachings that come from demons). 1 Timothy 4:14

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?(Matthew 7:22)
"Many will "begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,'
Jesus said "Depart from Me, (all you workers of iniquity)."

Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years) I never stopped
(warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away
by the error of (the lawless) and (fall from your secure position).(2 Peter 3:17)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,but according to their own desires,
because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. (II Timothy 4:3)

I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will (come in among you after I leave), (not sparing the flock).
Even some men from (your own group) will rise up and (distort the truth) in order to draw a following.(Acts 20:29)

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are
turning to a different gospel,which is really no gospel at all.

(A great wave of persecution began that day), sweeping over the church in Jerusalem;
and (all the believers except the apostles) were scattered through the regions of Judea and Samaria.(acts 8:9)

- all the believers scattered except the apostles, and they were tortured and killed.

Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and (think to change times and laws): and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

“Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:8–9).

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death" (Proverbs 14:12; 16:25
 
As a matter of fact in ancient Israel day length was not precisely 24 hours; but varied as much as 3 hours between solstices. However it averaged 24 hours.
 
As a matter of fact in ancient Israel day length was not precisely 24 hours; but varied as much as 3 hours between solstices. However it averaged 24 hours.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.




night time, then day time equels a day, God said thats how he did it.




3 days 3 nights.......
 
Of less importance, I believe that it should be observed on the Sunday after Passover, as it will be this year.
Don't know if this has already been said -- and it probably has been, so my apologies, but worth reiterating -- Easter, or Resurrection Sunday, is always the Sunday after Passover.

How is the date for Easter determined?

Question: "How is the date for Easter determined?"

Answer:
The four Gospels make it clear that Jesus was crucified in conjunction with the Jewish Passover (Matthew 26:17-19; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 22:7-15; John 18:28,39; 19:14). The four Gospels also make it clear that Jesus was raised from the dead three days later, on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1,19). Biblically speaking, then, Christ’s resurrection should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the Jewish Passover meal. However, this is not the case. Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox (March 21 in 2008, the first day of spring). This method of determining the date of Easter often results in Easter being before Passover and/or displaced far from Passover. Easter can potentially be observed anywhere between March 22 and April 25.
As for Easter being called "Paschal," Marc, never. That is the Greek word pasca (Pascha), meaning the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan, by the Hebrew Calendar, which is a lunar calender, the New Moon marking the first of the month.

 
While the Gospels were written in Greek, the timeframe is from the Jewish calendar.

In Hebrew idiom, mention of a day is satisfied by any part of a day so if Jesus arose before sunrise the third day (actually the first) could have been satisfied by the time between entombment and sundown Thursday.

Yes, but this particular phrase was not a Hebrew idiom...

Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

and Christ knew exactly how long a day and a night were (He created them)...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him."
 
Where in those verses do you see any statement that people would not reckon any part of a day as a day.

A study of the four books of Kings and Chronicles clearly indicates that if a King reigned any part of a year it was counted as a year. That, of course doesn't prove days were reckoned the same way; but it lends a lot of support. If I spend several hours searching Josephus and Heroditus I can probably find evidence to support my statement but I am not inclined to use my time that way today.
 
Don't know if this has already been said -- and it probably has been, so my apologies, but worth reiterating -- Easter, or Resurrection Sunday, is always the Sunday after Passover.


Antiquity of the Roman Mass

It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world
and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together
before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God.

the (un)holy roman empire union made easter to celebrate a pagon day,

they celebrated long before Jesus was begotten and sired by God.

and forced the world to accept it.


do we do as the romans do