Paster Women?

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I don't know where it is, if I find it I will let you... and vice-versa.

Thanks, I know Paul said that whatever the law saith saith to them under the law (but they were not) however they were learning, and he speaks also to them who were learning in one place whereas I dont believe women would always be learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth so I was curious as to him touching down like that on "the law saith" as he become as one under the law to them who hear the law but these folks couldnt even hear the law who desired to be under the law sometimes he could be hard to follow, however, I used to take this topic up with a passion and was determined to make it stick in one direction and I couldnt (with good conscience) in the direction I would see it go, but there were still unanswered questions. Meaning I wasnt really buying some of the answers given me, but there was no other better answer that would make it stick (to my own satisfaction) so I typically avoid the topic because its more of the same ol' same ol, and women getting all frazzled and insults going and all, but I gave up debating it, but I havent met one who could answer me (and settle it).

 

[KJV1611]

Yes I thought that well since he says so it must be somewhere in the law, so I asked a Messianic Jew, but it's not in the law that they have to be silent in church. Plus they could prophecy, the daughters of Philip prophecied.
Only thing is Genesis, that the woman will obey her own husband, not the whole muslim world.
He explained that there was a hedge in between, women sat on one side, men on the other and women weren't taught the Torah, only the boys, so they knew nothing and yelled over the fence: HEY WHAT DOES HE MEAN? And I can imagine Paul got as irritated as Benny Hinn got in Holland when they let the children run around during his service and said: SHUT UP!!

Oh it's in the law, I may not be able to point out to you but it's there because the bible says it there. Besides the whole premise of Christianity is Christ is the husband and the church is the wife. When you deny the plain words written in the bible you are usurping authority over the husband Christ. And thanks for the info on Genesis.

Here it is PPT.

Genesis 3:16 KJV
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

 

[Chuckt]

not by me

the Bible says we should not sue other believers

you are a believer, right?

If a woman doesn't listen to the Bible about female pastors then they aren't going to listen to the Bible when it comes to suing. They will say lawsuits were not cultural in the time of Paul.

 

[Mitspa]

Thanks, I know Paul said that whatever the law saith saith to them under the law (but they were not) however they were learning, and he speaks also to them who were learning in one place whereas I dont believe women would always be learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth so I was curious as to him touching down like that on "the law saith" as he become as one under the law to them who hear the law but these folks couldnt even hear the law who desired to be under the law sometimes he could be hard to follow, however, I used to take this topic up with a passion and was determined to make it stick in one direction and I couldnt (with good conscience) in the direction I would see it go, but there were still unanswered questions. Meaning I wasnt really buying some of the answers given me, but there was no other better answer that would make it stick (to my own satisfaction) so I typically avoid the topic because its more of the same ol' same ol, and women getting all frazzled and insults going and all, but I gave up debating it, but I havent met one who could answer me (and settle it).

Thanks for your honesty ..part of the problem here is a tradition of translation from the Greek into English and another part of the problem is modern thought that makes folks mad when they hear that God does first call the man to service ...

 

[KJV1611]

The video I posted earlier explains all this out. It was a society historical situation to that time and place when Paul wrote to Timothy.

Usurp authority (αὐθεντεῖν)...it only occurs one time in NT scripture.

It occurs in late ecclesiastical writers. The kindred noun αὐθέντης one who does a thing with his own hand,

The verb means to do a thing one's self; hence, to exercise authority. The A.V. usurp authority is a mistake. Rend. to have or exercise dominion over.

Word Studies in the New Testament.

No usurp is the right word. Usurp means to take a position of authority illegally. It is against the law for a woman to take authority over the man.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Sadly enough, many people don't even recognize that our Redeemer has come to bring us out of our carnal thinking. He has given us the mind of Christ! He has given us the Holy Spirit! Now we can begin to get an understanding of spiritual things! These become our life and our dwelling place!

I'm shaking the dust of this carnal contentious thread off of me. YUCK!!

BYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul recognized Jesus come, that is unfair to nail him for Pauls words though or as others do mock him for words that are not his, I might not always agree with him and you may be of a different understanding of the verse or excuse it without dealing with it (there are different strokes for many folks) but I thought you come off typically fair.

 

[coby]

Oh it's in the law, I may not be able to point out to you but it's there because the bible says it there. Besides the whole premise of Christianity is Christ is the husband and the church is the wife. When you deny the plain words written in the bible you are usurping authority over the husband Christ. And thanks for the info on Genesis.

Here it is PPT.

Genesis 3:16 KJV
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

No it's not there. Those Jews have female rabbi's. They came with the example of Deborah. Only text is that one indeed and that's about her own husband and Eve didn't have to be literally silent, it's not usurping authority over your own husband. Nothing about being silent in a synagogue.

 

[Chuckt]

No it's not there. Those Jews have female rabbi's. They came with the example of Deborah. Only text is that one indeed and that's about her own husband and Eve didn't have to be literally silent, it's not usurping authority over your own husband. Nothing about being silent in a synagogue.

I have an Orthodox Jewish friend who doesn't believe Jesus is God and He would say they aren't Jews.

 

[KJV1611]

Oh no, literally hate your family? Only read it literal if another text doesn't say the opposite.

There is a spiritual couterpart to everything... that's what "rightly dividing" is about, discerning between the spirtual and the literal.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

No usurp is the right word. Usurp means to take a position of authority illegally. It is against the law for a woman to take authority over the man.

Even a wife (who is a believer) is told to gain her own husband to whom she is in subjection to (and who might not be under obedience to the word) to do so without the word (but with her conversation)

She can "have words", just to win him without "the word" (as it relates to teaching him)

 

[KJV1611]

No it's not there. Those Jews have female rabbi's. They came with the example of Deborah. Only text is that one indeed and that's about her own husband and Eve didn't have to be literally silent, it's not usurping authority over your own husband. Nothing about being silent in a synagogue.

You're free to believe whatever you want. I believe the bible is 100% accurate so if it says it's written in the law, then it's written in the law. It may not be written the way you and are thinking it's written but it's written.

 

[jaybird88]

What does the Bible say or teach about women preaching the Word of God?

Example:
How about " Paster Joyce Meyer "

i dont have an issue with women teaching or preaching.
but im not sure joyce meyer is the best example. Jesus taught against storing up possessions which conflicts greatly with meyer and her lavish lifestyle and "serve the Lord and get payed" message.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Thanks for your honesty ..part of the problem here is a tradition of translation from the Greek into English and another part of the problem is modern thought that makes folks mad when they hear that God does first call the man to service ...

There seems to be a few problems.

It probably wouldnt go over well with the male muslim community either lol

 

[Chuckt]

Even a wife (who is a believer) is told to gain her own husband to whom she is in subjection to (and who might not be under obedience to the word) to do so without the word (but with her conversation)

She can "have words", just to win him without "the word" (as it relates to teaching him)

But the word "conversation" means "behavior":

1 Peter 3:1 ¶ Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

1 Peter 3 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)


the conversation g391 ἀναστροφή anastrophē


Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Behave, Behavior:


lit., "a turning back" (cp. No. 1, above), is translated "manner of life," "living," etc. in the RV, for AV, "conversation," Gal 1:13; Eph 4:22; 1Ti 4:12; Hbr 13:7; Jam 3:13; 1Pe 1:15, 18; 2:1 ("behavior"); 3:1, 2, 16 (ditto); 2Pe 2:7; 3:11.
See CONVERSATION, LIFE.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words

 

[KJV1611]

Even a wife (who is a believer) is told to gain her own husband to whom she is in subjection to (and who might not be under obedience to the word) to do so without the word (but with her conversation)

She can "have words", just to win him without "the word" (as it relates to teaching him)

Women are just as spiritual, capable and smart as men are but we are a model of the heavenly husband and wife and God wants us to carry our own lives on that "real" relationship. I say why not just obey the Lord and be happy.

 

[Mitspa]

There seems to be a few problems.

It probably wouldnt go over well with the male muslim community either lol

Why would the muslims care about New Testament scripture? Is that a insult towards me because I said God first calls men?

 

[Chuckt]

Here is an article about a female apostle.....many times we "interpret" scripture by what we have been taught or by taking a "society norm at the time of writings" and then making it a doctrine forever. it's a good thing we didn't do that for slavery...selah

THE APOSTLE JUNIA

In Romans 16:7, Paul praises a woman named Junia as "outstanding among the apostles." Despite the modern mistranslation of her name as masculine "Junias" or "Junius," no commentator prior to the 13th century questioned that this apostle was a woman.

https://carm.org/junia-apostle

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

But the word "conversation" means "behavior":

1 Peter 3:1 ¶ Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

1 Peter 3 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)


the conversation g391 ἀναστροφή anastrophē


Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon




Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words

Thank you Chuckt, I even ran conversation (as behavior) and then double checked it off of other verses where it is actually helpful. I think you have given me something here thank you.

So "without" the word (still) as far as a wife teaching her husband, but chaste behavior (versus conversation) as would typically count it, although not really because your conversation is a part of your behavior as well. Well, that might be be an obvious thing (even if not written in) in order to win another with (especially ones husband). Might not change much in that verse but cross checking throughout in respects to other verses was very helpful as well.

Thanks again Chuckt I appreciate that one. God bless you

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Why would the muslims care about New Testament scripture? Is that a insult towards me because I said God first calls men?

Im talking about taking the gospel to others.

Why would I care about your stance on men when I dont agree with women teaching men.

Women typically behave in an overly offended manner its girly on men

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Women are just as spiritual, capable and smart as men are but we are a model of the heavenly husband and wife and God wants us to carry our own lives on that "real" relationship. I say why not just obey the Lord and be happy.

Yes I know, I let mine steer, that doesnt mean the captain of our titantic dont hit an iceberg time and again it means I am made to help him out when he crashes into one. And he typically consults me after a sinking or two, but he likes to do things himself (his own way) and I just got to "zip it up" in more then a couple of ways sometimes, one, I have to zip up my life jacket and be ready to go down with the ship and two, "zip up my mouth" when I feel an "I told you so" is coming.

Those are so bad on my part.

Still says without the word