Paul exposes false application of the law

[Grandpa]

Exactly GP, how can Jesus write a lie on someone’s heart? The truth is He does not. If there is a lie in our heart it is placed there by the Father of lies.

You aren't even close to getting it.

The bible is not a lie.

 

[Studyman]

If you say EG believes something, and after being corrected. You keep saying, it is called slander.

You can question my teaching all you want, just do not tell me I teach what I do not.



and if you read my posts. You would know I teach.

1. Those who have true faith are obedient, those who do not have true faith are disobedient

2. Those who have true faith work. Those who do not may be decievers, (Religious workers of law) or are disobedient.

3. The children of God obey Gods commands, the non children of God may obey rules and regulations, but they do not obey God (there is non righteous no not one)


All I ask is that people do not assume what people believer, if you have a question ask them.

Now if I was saying 0ver and over being obedient does not matter, we can live however we want, that is a different story,, You would be free to say I believe one can be saved and live in sin (contrary to what the Bible says) and you would have judged me correctly

But I have never said such.

I asked you direct questions EG. Perfectly appropriate questions. And you completely ignored them. That’s OK, I know it’s an uncomfortable topic. I don’t mean any disrespect, it was difficult for me as well.

 

[Studyman]

You aren't even close to getting it.

The bible is not a lie.

But the preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I asked you direct questions EG. Perfectly appropriate questions. And you completely ignored them. That’s OK, I know it’s an uncomfortable topic. I don’t mean any disrespect, it was difficult for me as well.

What questions?

You also assumed a lot Thats was not true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But the preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him is.

Um, no it is not. TYhey even went further, they had mosaic law plus all their added laws. So they thought they were even more righteous than the law demanded.

In my 40 years of going to church all over the eastern United States, and many discussion with many people of all denominations. Your the only person I ever heard make this claim that the Pharisee were not legalists. Trying to earn Gods love. By obedience.

 

[Grandpa]

But the preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him is.

No its not.

Everyone who works at the law does it because they think they will be pleasing to God.

Everyone who works at the law does EXACTLY what the Pharisees do. They bring it down to their own understanding so they appear to be fulfilling it by their work and strength.

They are all deceived because they haven't received the Truth.

 

[beastslayer1970]

No its not.

Everyone who works at the law does it because they think they will be pleasing to God.

Everyone who works at the law does EXACTLY what the Pharisees do. They bring it down to their own understanding so they appear to be fulfilling it by their work and strength.

They are all deceived because they haven't received the Truth.

I have a friend who is a messianic Jew. Her grandparents died at Auschwitz in the ovens She keeps the feasts to teach her children about their Jewish heritage. Would you and others call her unsaved?

She could school all of us in grace and truth and salvation by Faith.

Before casting a wide net, be mindful that all you seek to catch in the net is not all that are in the net.

 

[Grandpa]

I have a friend who is a messianic Jew. Her grandparents died at Auschwitz in the ovens She keeps the feasts to teach her children about their Jewish heritage. Would you and others call her unsaved?

She could school all of us in grace and truth and salvation by Faith.

Before casting a wide net, be mindful that all you seek to catch in the net is not all that are in the net.

Who said anything about messianic Jews keeping feasts or teaching children about Jewish heritage?

I was talking about the law. And everything I said about the law absolutely stands. Even for Jews who were in the holocaust.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Who said anything about messianic Jews keeping feasts or teaching children about Jewish heritage?

I was talking about the law. And everything I said about the law absolutely stands. Even for Jews who were in the holocaust.

Calm down please. I was just asking.


Many are just wound way too tight here.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

No its not.

Everyone who works at the law does it because they think they will be pleasing to God.

Everyone who works at the law does EXACTLY what the Pharisees do. They bring it down to their own understanding so they appear to be fulfilling it by their work and strength.

They are all deceived because they haven't received the Truth.

Yep,they didn't accept the truth

 

[Grandpa]

Calm down please. I was just asking.


Many are just wound way too tight here.

I'm perfectly calm. Did I seem upset?

 

[UnderGrace]

Is keeping the feasts really keeping the law?

I think the key word here is keeping, she is not keeping the law in an obligatory way, she is performing some of the traditions of her heritage, it is not for salvation it is cultural

I have a friend who is a messianic Jew. Her grandparents died at Auschwitz in the ovens She keeps the feasts to teach her children about their Jewish heritage. Would you and others call her unsaved?

She could school all of us in grace and truth and salvation by Faith.

Before casting a wide net, be mindful that all you seek to catch in the net is not all that are in the net.

 

[Studyman]

No its not.

Everyone who works at the law does it because they think they will be pleasing to God.

Everyone who works at the law does EXACTLY what the Pharisees do. They bring it down to their own understanding so they appear to be fulfilling it by their work and strength.

They are all deceived because they haven't received the Truth.

I simply asked for someone to give me one Biblical example where Jesus accused the Pharisees of obeying God’s laws as you and “many” preach.

But all I get is more doctrines and traditions of man. I posted many scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments that clearly say the Mainstream preachers of Christ’s time were NOT trying to please God by obeying Him, rather, they created their own righteousness, their own doctrines and traditions and transgressed Gods Commandments by them. For this Jesus rejected them.

I am still waiting for more than lip service to support your preaching.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Calm down please. I was just asking.


Many are just wound way too tight here.

Stick around for awhile. The nonsense will get to you also.. Although I think some people cause trouble on purpose knowing they will affect us, which is sad.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I simply asked for someone to give me one Biblical example where Jesus accused the Pharisees of obeying God’s laws as you and “many” preach.

But all I get is more doctrines and traditions of man. I posted many scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments that clearly say the Mainstream preachers of Christ’s time were NOT trying to please God by obeying Him, rather, they created their own righteousness, their own doctrines and traditions and transgressed Gods Commandments by them. For this Jesus rejected them.

I am still waiting for more than lip service to support your preaching.

You know what funny, When they would say they kept the law since birth, Jesus would never deny they had done this, In fact, He knew, as did all people living at that day,. That the Pharisee morally according to the law was the most righteous people on earth. Jesus made it know. Unless our righteousness EXCEEDS theirs, we have no hope. By this statement, anyone who could live a morally good life which exceeded theirs we could earn the right to heaven by our actions.

The pharisees sins were commited in private, Everyone else’s sins was out for all to see. There is no doubt they were sinners. As jesus proclaimed to all.. But when it comes to the law hall of fame, No one did it better but Christ.

 

[Studyman]

Um, no it is not. TYhey even went further, they had mosaic law plus all their added laws. So they thought they were even more righteous than the law demanded.

In my 40 years of going to church all over the eastern United States, and many discussion with many people of all denominations. Your the only person I ever heard make this claim that the Pharisee were not legalists. Trying to earn Gods love. By obedience.

It’s about what Jesus and His Word teaches, vs. what those “who come in His Name” teaches. If you can show me one place where Jesus said the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God’s Laws please post it. But you can’t, because it isn’t there.

Jesus said just the opposite of you in this post.

Doesn’t that bother you?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I simply asked for someone to give me one Biblical example where Jesus accused the Pharisees of obeying God’s laws as you and “many” preach.

But all I get is more doctrines and traditions of man. I posted many scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments that clearly say the Mainstream preachers of Christ’s time were NOT trying to please God by obeying Him, rather, they created their own righteousness, their own doctrines and traditions and transgressed Gods Commandments by them. For this Jesus rejected them.


I am still waiting for more than lip service to support your preaching.

GOD’s law Is perfect and since JESUS Is the perfect representation of GOD on earth,WHY would HE teach against GOD’s WORD

But I think this scripture would be fitting toward the pharisees.
Luke 11:40-43
King James Verso(KJV)

40.)[Ye] fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

41.)But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

42.)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

43.)Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.

By The Way see post 318

 

[Studyman]

You know what funny, When they would say they kept the law since birth, Jesus would never deny they had done this, In fact, He knew, as did all people living at that day,. That the Pharisee morally according to the law was the most righteous people on earth. Jesus made it know. Unless our righteousness EXCEEDS theirs, we have no hope. By this statement, anyone who could live a morally good life which exceeded theirs we could earn the right to heaven by our actions.

The pharisees sins were commited in private, Everyone else’s sins was out for all to see. There is no doubt they were sinners. As jesus proclaimed to all.. But when it comes to the law hall of fame, No one did it better but Christ.

Oh they claimed to be God’s people no doubt. They claimed to obey “the law of Moses”. But they did not. They had created their own path, their own image of God, their own “feasts unto the Lord”, their own righteousness as it is written.

You still have not given me one time where Jesus said the Pharisees were rejected because they were trying to obey God. Or that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God.

That’s because it isn’t in the Bible EG. It is just one of the many man made doctrines and traditions we were told to “take heed” of.

Should I listen to Mainstream teaching and by extension you? Or should I listen to Jesus?


Jesus said; “Moses gave you the law, yet none of you keep the law”

EG said; “That the Pharisees morally according to the law was the most righteous people on earth”

Exactly the opposite of each other.

I’m going to stick with the Jesus of the Bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It’s about what Jesus and His Word teaches, vs. what those “who come in His Name” teaches. If you can show me one place where Jesus said the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God’s Laws please post it. But you can’t, because it isn’t there.

Jesus said just the opposite of you in this post.

Doesn’t that bother you?

So you think they were trying to get saved by grace?

Please.

 

[dcontroversal]

You aren't even close to getting it.

The bible is not a lie.

I think God is as smart as.....there is a reason he placed the heart a little LEFT in the chest and then stated clearly that the hearts of the sons of men are fully set to do evil......

Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.